How Does One Keep The Sabbath And Does It Apply To The New Covenant

[Mitspa]

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You are correct about the personal remarks: your attitude and words were beginning to rub off on me. I apologize
to you, and to the forum.

We are called to believe: but believe what? We are called to believe the promise of the Gospel; which is, "...and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." even as Abraham also believed the promise of God for a progenitor. Abraham believed the promise
of God, not just believe God.
All the scriptures you use are directed to members of the body, who are already saved: the Aposte Paul taking on his role as
a teacher.

What is the Gospel that you are proclaiming? It still seems to be salvation by faith through grace.

Thanks for the apology and then for the insult?

I have given you the gospel and these scriptures describe it to a tee....

Eph 2:4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works,

 

[Candelario Mario Villa]

Thanks for the apology and then for the insult?
I have given you the gospel and these scriptures describe it to a tee....
Eph 2:4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works,

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The Gospel instructs one how to be saved: doctrine teaches one the why's.
I agree wityh those scriptures: I doubt whether you know the Gospel; however, that does not mean that the Holy Spirit has not called you to repent.

 

[Mitspa]

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The Gospel instructs one how to be saved: doctrine teaches one the why's.
I agree wityh those scriptures: I doubt whether you know the Gospel; however, that does not mean that the Holy Spirit has not called you to repent.

Again you are so bitter? Why the personal insults and why do try to question my salvation?

Better try something else, Im not real educated, you could make some rude comments about that.

 

[Candelario Mario Villa]

Again you are so bitter? Why the personal insults and why do try to question my salvation?
Better try something else, Im not real educated, you could make some rude comments about that.

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If your formal education exceeds the ninth grade level, you are better educated.
As for your salvation, we do not have the same Gospel...although you quote my Brother Paul. I do not doubt your repentance,
but now you are not speaking by the Holy spirit. The Lord will have us all saved: but the Lord's testimony seems to offend you.
It is the Gospel that saves: and doctrine that would keep us saved.

Many religions have come to my door: each one with their own doctrines. None have come to my door with the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Mitspa]

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If your formal education exceeds the ninth grade level, you are better educated.
As for your salvation, we do not have the same Gospel...although you quote my Brother Paul. I do not doubt your repentance,
but now you are not speaking by the Holy spirit. The Lord will have us all saved: but the Lord's testimony seems to offend you.
It is the Gospel that saves: and doctrine that would keep us saved.

Many religions have come to my door: each one with their own doctrines. None have come to my door with the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Not sure what all that means, but I hope you will start being nice?

 

[Candelario Mario Villa]

Not sure what all that means, but I hope you will start being nice?

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"Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

 

[TalkJesus]

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"Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

And yet you posted

The Lord will have us all saved: but the Lord's testimony seems to offend you.
It is the Gospel that saves: and doctrine that would keep us saved.

It is Jesus Christ the Saviour that has saved us: it is Jesus the Good Shepherd that enables us to abide in Him & His words as His disciple & both is done by faith in Jesus Christ just as both is done by the grace of God so we can rest in Him.

What we build on that foundation will be judged and every one that has His seal that did not look to Him for help to discern & depart from iniquity, will be left behind at the pre tribulational rapture event as a castaway to become vessel unto dishonour in His House ( 2 Timothy 2:19-21 & 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 ), but the prodigal son will return by His hand as He will lose nothing of all the Father has given Him ( John 6:39-40 ). This is why Jesus addresses saved believers to be ready ( Luke 12:40-49 ) , because a work of iniquity is a work that denies Him ( Titus 1:16 ) and so they will be denied when the Bridegroom comes for the ready bride, the firstfruits aka the elect, the chosen for the Marriage Supper as His disciples ( John 15:3-17 ) but even if the saints stopped believing in Him ( 2 Timothy 2:18 ) , He abides in them still for He cannot deny Himself ( 2 Timothy 2:10-13 ) which is why He shall harvest those wayward saints in iniquity that are Christ's after the rapture at His coming.

So the call remains for every believer having His seal to go before that throne of grace for help to lay aside every weight & sin in running that race as only He can have us be worthy to escape & stand before the Son of Man. 1 John 3:3.8 & Jude 1:24-25

 

[Mitspa]

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"Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

That's better!

 

[Candelario Mario Villa]

And yet you posted
It is Jesus Christ the Saviour that has saved us: it is Jesus the Good Shepherd that enables us to abide in Him & His words as His disciple & both is done by faith in Jesus Christ just as both is done by the grace of God so we can rest in Him.
What we build on that foundation will be judged and every one that has His seal that did not look to Him for help to discern & depart from iniquity, will be left behind at the pre tribulational rapture event as a castaway to become vessel unto dishonour in His House ( 2 Timothy 2:19-21 & 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 ), but the prodigal son will return by His hand as He will lose nothing of all the Father has given Him ( John 6:39-40 ). This is why Jesus addresses saved believers to be ready ( Luke 12:40-49 ) , because a work of iniquity is a work that denies Him ( Titus 1:16 ) and so they will be denied when the Bridegroom comes for the ready bride, the firstfruits aka the elect, the chosen for the Marriage Supper as His disciples ( John 15:3-17 ) but even if the saints stopped believing in Him ( 2 Timothy 2:18 ) , He abides in them still for He cannot deny Himself ( 2 Timothy 2:10-13 ) which is why He shall harvest those that are Christ's after the rapture at His coming.
So the call remains for every believer having His seal to go before that throne of grace for help to lay aside every weight & sin in running that race as only He can have us be worthy to escape & stand before the Son of Man. 1 John 3:3.8 & Jude 1:24-25

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I posted: "The Lord will have us all saved: but the Lord's testimony seems to offend you.
It is the Gospel that saves: and doctrine that would keep us saved."

Jesus (a) paid the price for our sins, and (b) has redeemed us to Himself. The Apostle Paul said, in I Cor. 15:1-4 _ "I declare unto you the Gospel...wherein you stand...by which also you are saved...". No man can be saved just because Jesus paid the price, but one must believe the Gospel! And what is the witness of the Gospel? That Jesus died for our sins, that He was buried (went to Hades), and that He rose from the dead: signifying that death could not hold Him because he was without sin (righteous), and that His blood was accepted for our redemption. The Gospel touches every part of man: spirit, body, and soul.

You speak about a seal that the believer has: it is the Holy Spirit. It is so real, because the Holy Spirit comes and governs the tongue: the member that no man can tame. That is the evidence of God's seal in a man.

 

[TalkJesus]

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I posted: "The Lord will have us all saved: but the Lord's testimony seems to offend you.
It is the Gospel that saves: and doctrine that would keep us saved."

Jesus (a) paid the price for our sins, and (b) has redeemed us to Himself. The Apostle Paul said, in I Cor. 15:1-4 _ "I declare unto you the Gospel...wherein you stand...by which also you are saved...". No man can be saved just because Jesus paid the price, but one must believe the Gospel! And what is the witness of the Gospel? That Jesus died for our sins, that He was buried (went to Hades), and that He rose from the dead: signifying that death could not hold Him because he was without sin (righteous), and that His blood was accepted for our redemption. The Gospel touches every part of man: spirit, body, and soul.

Thanks for the clarity on the gospel part, but it was the "doctrine that would keep us saved" that seemed to depersonify Jesus from it, seeing how there are many doctrines in christianity that has been misconstrued as essential for salvation when in actuality they are only essential for discipleship as in abiding in Him & His words as His disciples in bearing fruit.

You speak about a seal that the believer has: it is the Holy Spirit. It is so real, because the Holy Spirit comes and governs the tongue: the member that no man can tame. That is the evidence of God's seal in a man.

I am not sure how you are applying that, seeing how any believer can have a slip of the tongue which is why we are exhorted in this manner, looking to Jesus Christ at that throne of grace for help.

Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

If a believer cusses, he needs to ask Jesus for help in overcoming it, and be ready to discern when Jesus takes him to the root cause of his untamed tongue; an unforgiving heart or a simple lack of Christ's love or patience towards our fellow man.

Now if you are referring to something else in how the Holy Spirit governs the tongue, you need to clarify, please, but I want to point out that if a believer cusses, it does not mean he does not have the Holy Spirit & thus is not saved. Far from it. It is because the Holy Spirit is in us that we should not grieve the Holy Spirit by corrupt communication from which we need to rely on Jesus Christ at that throne of grace for help in our time of need as He is our Good Shepherd & we are the works of His hands as the Son of God leads us by the Holy Spirit in us.

Psalm 19:12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. 13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. 14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.

 

[Man-ofGod]

The rest of that story goes like this, diverting from how you were applyig that verse of what Jesus was saying that for.

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Okay then. It is not possible for men to enter into life by keeping the commandments. If men could so such a thing, then Christ died in vain.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith....26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Welcome to the discussion Talkjesus

No problems here. We are only justified by what Jesus has done for us on the cross. We keep the law because we are saved, not in order to be saved.

Blessings,
MoG

 

[TalkJesus]

Welcome to the discussion Talkjesus

No problems here. We are only justified by what Jesus has done for us on the cross. We keep the law because we are saved, not in order to be saved.

Blessings,
MoG

I would divert from that keeping of the law to keeping the faith in Jesus Christ for living the christian life. Keeping the faith is the good fight as the just shall live by faith, but the law is not of faith and those that do them shall live in them & thus be judged by them

It all boils down to how you are identified as the children of God... is it by the keeping of the law or by faith in Jesus Christ becuase it cannot be both. The keeping of the law is a boast of the flesh whereas the keeping of our faith in Jesus Christ is our boast in the Lord as the power for living the christian life.

 

[Man-ofGod]

Thanks for the clarity on the gospel part, but it was the "doctrine that would keep us saved" that seemed to depersonify Jesus from it, seeing how there are many doctrines in christianity that has been misconstrued as essential for salvation when in actuality they are only essential for discipleship as in abiding in Him & His words as His disciples in bearing fruit.



I am not sure how you are applying that, seeing how any believer can have a slip of the tongue which is why we are exhorted in this manner, looking to Jesus Christ at that throne of grace for help.

Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

If a believer cusses, he needs to ask Jesus for help in overcoming it, and be ready to discern when Jesus takes him to the root cause of his untamed tongue; an unforgiving heart or a simple lack of Christ's love or patience towards our fellow man.

Now if you are referring to something else in how the Holy Spirit governs the tongue, you need to clarify, please, but I want to point out that if a believer cusses, it does not mean he does not have the Holy Spirit & thus is not saved. Far from it. It is because the Holy Spirit is in us that we should not grieve the Holy Spirit by corrupt communication from which we need to rely on Jesus Christ at that throne of grace for help in our time of need as He is our Good Shepherd & we are the works of His hands as the Son of God leads us by the Holy Spirit in us.

Psalm 19:12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. 13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. 14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.

What are your thoughts on 2 Pet 1:10 ?


Blessings,
MoG

 

[Man-ofGod]

I would divert from that keeping of the law to keeping the faith in Jesus Christ for living the christian life. Keeping the faith is the good fight as the just shall live by faith, but the law is not of faith and those that do them shall live in them & thus be judged by them
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You said,

"but the law is not of faith and those that do them shall live in them & thus be judged by them"

Where does it say that in scripture?

Blessings,
MoG

 

[Candelario Mario Villa]

What are your thoughts on 2 Pet 1:10 ?
Blessings, MoG

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"Wherefore the rather, Bethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if you do this things, you shall
never fail."
The latter part of this verse (underlined) must be understood within the context of the previous verses, 5-9. But as regarding the former part of verse 10, it is telling us to make sure and without a doubt that we believe the right Gospel!!!! The Gospel, Beloved, is what makes the difference between a believer, and the "nice/good" person in the natural realm.
There is a difference in believing the Gospel; and understanding the Gospel.

 

[TalkJesus]

You said,

"but the law is not of faith and those that do them shall live in them & thus be judged by them"

Where does it say that in scripture?

Blessings,
MoG

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith....

Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.....
Again, here:

Romans 10:1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

[TalkJesus]

What are your thoughts on 2 Pet 1:10 ?

Blessings,
MoG

2 Peter 1:1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, 3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

We are to look to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin in running that race ( Hebrews 12:1-2 ) or risk being a castaway that will be left behind at the pre tribulational rapture event ( 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 ) when God comes to judge His House first ( 1 Peter 4:17-19 ) in separating the vessels unto honour to receive at the Marriage Supper in casting away the vessels unto dishonour even though they are still in His House as His ( 2 Timothy 2:19-21 ) We can entrust the keeping of the souls of those wayward saints that did not depart from iniquity wherein they were left behind to our faithful Creator in well doing while they suffer the coming great tribulation.

 

[TalkJesus]

Here is the faith & the hope we have in Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.....8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

That is why it is written that the just shall live by faith in the Son o God & all His promises to us so we can rest in Him as His.

 

[God calls me Olivia]

2 Peter 1:1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, 3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

We are to look to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin in running that race ( Hebrews 12:1-2 ) or risk being a castaway that will be left behind at the pre tribulational rapture event ( 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 ) when God comes to judge His House first ( 1 Peter 4:17-19 ) in separating the vessels unto honour to receive at the Marriage Supper in casting away the vessels unto dishonour even though they are still in His House as His ( 2 Timothy 2:19-21 ) We can entrust the keeping of the souls of those wayward saints that did not depart from iniquity wherein they were left behind to our faithful Creator in well doing while they suffer the coming great tribulation.

No believer will be a castaway. You are taking 2 Timothy out of context. Compare your text to Romans chapter 9. God has some who have specific special purposes that he will make sure they do no matter what. For example, God was going to make sure Jonah went to preach in Ninevah. God would make sure that circumstances in the apostles lives led them to salvation and that which he purposed them for. Those with common purposes choose salvation and are cleansed by Jesus and then are able to work out a special purposes for God, or as scripture says, "useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work" (2nd Timothy 2:21).

 

[Mitspa]

Welcome to the discussion Talkjesus

No problems here. We are only justified by what Jesus has done for us on the cross. We keep the law because we are saved, not in order to be saved.

Blessings,
MoG

Hey MoG, every time I get you to the point where you have to explain your doctrine by clear questions and answers, you seem to disappear for a few days from the conversation. You come back and act as if these conversations have not taking place. I have ask you some questions that you have yet to answer, do you mind looking back at our conversation and giving some answer to the conflicts your doctrine has with the "evident" truth of scripture? Your Friend Mitspa