thanks for that, I didn't know that.
i am a mid trib rapture believer, there is no logical or biblical solid foundation for a pre or after trib rapture. [tribulation referring to the whole 7 years, but for me it is two 31/2 year events, the tribulation of the saints and the wrath of God]
the trumpets appear to be telling of the nuclear war event while the bowls are outcomes.
Thanks.....right or wrong it does make sense.
Ok. I'm a pre-tribber, mid-tribber and post-tribber... somakes a lot of sense that it corresponds to the fourth trumpet in revelation 8:12 because the following three herald even worse events. That would fit an after rapture tribulation period.
makes a lot of sense that it corresponds to the fourth trumpet in revelation 8:12 because the following three herald even worse events. That would fit an after rapture tribulation period.
Ok. I'm a pre-tribber, mid-tribber and post-tribber... so
hi, I've written an ebook on revelation, but,
I'm still clarifying some things so I might pick your brains for answers.
The abomination of desolation.
i''m trying to decide weather its at the start of the tribulation 7 years
or at the mid-point.
Mat 24 seems to suggest at the start followed by the great trib
but since i'm tending to think the beast invades Israel to kill the two witnesses at the mid point
and then places the abomination.,
but since the abomination is a created image of the beast which kills people i'm more
inclined towards the start..
.but the created image is only done by the false prophet
after the beast has received a mortal wound, assissination attempt? so that's more likely
after the seven year peace deal is signed by UN president Obama in 2030?
[I made that last part up, did u like it? ha ha, It might be prophetic]
your input appreciated.
The abomination of desolation is not a neither 7 years or 3.5 years for the abomination of desolation is a man and is here.
The rule the destroyer will have will be for 3.5 years but his kingdom is not fully set up their fore the abomination of the desolator is not placed yet.
Here i will tell you of the true manner of the end.
The king of the north that shall seize mound and take most the fenced cities did and is doing as it is written in daniel 11 this same king is a king who didnt have a kingdom before. He who come against him shall do according to his own will and none shall stand before him. and as it is written of him so he did, and shall do. the raiser of taxes who shall be in the kingdom who shall not be destroyed neither in anger or in battle, as it was written of it so it did.
Then the despised one who shall not take the honor of the kingdom but shall turn and come in quietly who shall take the kingdoms by flatteries i tell you that man is here. but first you must understand.
Its not by peace of nations he shall take the kingdoms but by the preaching of peace to cause many to do his will, therefore he flattered them.
Now when the abomination of desolation is set at this same time will be the tribulation of the saints.
but the tribulation of the saints is not for 7 years behold its only for 3 and a half.
for during those days the elect shall not escape. for to whom it is appointed, they all shall be like sheeps lined up to be slaughtered.
all of the saints shall be killed during those days. this is the rapture and at the same time the trial. and jerusalem and egypt will go into captivity and many nations shall be overthrown by him
The leader of the islamic state, he is the man and soon a mark will be set forth throughout all the world for his sake, and who ever does not take it shall be killed and who ever does shall lose his soul.
all who refuses his mark is the elect of the lord jesus christ.
this is the test from god, to seperate the true wheat from the tears.
for a hypocrite will not die for god, only they who truely love jesus will die for him.
for it is written no greater love a man has for his friend save he give his life.
theirfore all who do not love christ will not give his life for christ..
this is the true end of the world and after the tribulation of the saints. the stars of heaven shall fall and the earth shall shake and move around like a drunkardman and the heavens shall depart like a scroll
if you do not believe then try the words spoken to this day in the scriptures. for the scriptures interpret it self by providing many proofs in different scriptures to prove a servents interpretation accurate or deceived
I for one would really appreciate you posting the Bible verses you are quoiting. Not for me personally but for the ones who read without commenting and are anting to learn. THEY need to know where you are coming from.
The Tribulation is a 7 year time frame BUT the Great Tribulation is the name for the last 3 1/2 years. So we agree.
What Bible verse are you using to believe that the A/C will be a Muslim?
Also, according to Rev. 13:12-18 it is the "False Prophet" who forces men to receive the mark of the Beast. Have you considered that in your teaching?
RISE AND FALL OF THE DESOLATOR
(Everything spoken to you this day is a straight out of the word of god king james version who ever has a heart to understand let him understand)
Daniel chapter 8
7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.
8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
12 And an host(Definition a large number of people or things aka a army) was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and prospered.
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.
16 And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.(remember the battle 300 movie? this was the war that that battle took place, this was the persian-greco war)
21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance(countenance means face), and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. (This is in parerel to many verses in the bible, isaiah 57, jeremiah 25, revelations 6, daniel 7, daniel 2, mathew 24, luke 17, revelations 13 and 20, for this is the king who will destroy the daily sacrifice and shall scatter the holy people. by his hand the wheat and the tares shall be seperated for they who believe on the lord christ that are written in the book of life he will kill)
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.( remember what revelations said about he who will be casted alive into the lake of fire? also who is his peace? The man i spoke of earlier today he preaches peace to his people to wag war. Listen to what abu bakr al baghdadi was preaching back in july watch the sermon carefully)
26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king’s business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.
Daniel chapter 9
Now god did not give me complete understand in daniel 9 but i speculate that he is either talking about the coming of jesus or the captivity of judah. for israel will go into captivity in the coming days. it shall even be the time of jacobs trouble spoken of by jeremiah the prophet
23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Now Daniel chapter 11 for this is the only chapter in the whole bible that speaks of the rise and fall of the little horn in full detail
14 And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.
15 So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand.( arms mean weapon, What did the islamic state do? and is still doing?)
16 But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.
17 He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him.
18 After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him.(Now verses 16-18 either speaks of al malki or obama, because the isles are the nations and obama caused the coalition but al malki whole kingdom went to war with him so to me i just wait and see if obama fits the complete description)
19 Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found.(al malki fell after he turned to his army but obama did not fall yet. so it can be obama and it probably was al malki)
20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.( The jizya tax was in iraq and it was destroyed not in anger nor in battle for it was not a person or it could be to come from if and after obama fall)
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.(How did the isis leader take the kingdoms? he did no preach peace saying world peace but he preached peace concerning the doctrine that the muslims believe in LISTEN TO WHAT HE PREACHED.)
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.(what is isis doing?)
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers’ fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.( peaceably as in safely for where ever their is peace their is safety low not his army but him)
25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.
26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.( his own people eats his meat, his own people of his own land which he rules shall destroy him)
27 And both these kings’ hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.
28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.
30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.(Now is the death of the saints, Remember the revelations concerning the mark of the beast)
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.(Remember the 42 months of the kingdom in revelations)
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.( What did daniel 12 say? the wise shall understand but the wicked shall not understand)
34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.(This is the seperation of the wheat from the tares behold for the lord god tries his people and only his true people will lay down their life for their god)
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.( that same god is spoken of in revelations even the devil him self for how shall they rule? remember revelations 13 which speaks of the mark of the beast)
40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.(Overthrown definition Forcible remove from power, If how ye think he shall take the kingdoms with out any violents why then the lord says he shall forcible remove many nations? think and understand)
42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.(tidings means news)
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Read these scriptures carefully and pray the understanding of the heart is given to you concerning this matter.
then think about the islamic state and pay attention to what is going on
FOR I TELL YOU THE LEADER OF DAESH IS THE LITLE HORN
The tribulation starts with the arrival of the Two Witnesses, who preach for 1260 days. The antichrist comes to power and over those days, tries to get rid of them. They torch anyone coming against them. However, the antichrist himself comes to them and kills them at the appointed time, declares himself God in the temple on Passover (my theory) upon which Jesus said to flee to the mountains for exactly 1260 days, when the abomination of desolation occurs. The Two Witnesses lay dead for 3.5 days and the world rejoices. Live on CNN. Then they come back to life and ascend into heaven. From the day they die, 1260 days later Jesus returns on the Feast of Trumpets. 1260+1260 = 7 years. From Passover to Feast of Trumpets, on a 30-day monthly calendar, is exactly 1260 days, or 42 months, or 3.5 years, or time, times, and half a time. The word "times" in this phrase, is the same word in Gen 1:14 where it says "seasons" but really means "appointed time." Even the devils know this, Mat 8:29. Just thought I'd throw that out there. There's no guesswork in God's word. We just have to read it all. FYI there's no "666" just so you know... which is why it can't be found. Night.
Why do you think there is no 666 in Rev 13:18?The tribulation starts with the arrival of the Two Witnesses, who preach for 1260 days. The antichrist comes to power and over those days, tries to get rid of them. They torch anyone coming against them. However, the antichrist himself comes to them and kills them at the appointed time, declares himself God in the temple on Passover (my theory) upon which Jesus said to flee to the mountains for exactly 1260 days, when the abomination of desolation occurs. The Two Witnesses lay dead for 3.5 days and the world rejoices. Live on CNN. Then they come back to life and ascend into heaven. From the day they die, 1260 days later Jesus returns on the Feast of Trumpets. 1260+1260 = 7 years. From Passover to Feast of Trumpets, on a 30-day monthly calendar, is exactly 1260 days, or 42 months, or 3.5 years, or time, times, and half a time. The word "times" in this phrase, is the same word in Gen 1:14 where it says "seasons" but really means "appointed time." Even the devils know this, Mat 8:29. Just thought I'd throw that out there. There's no guesswork in God's word. We just have to read it all. FYI there's no "666" just so you know... which is why it can't be found. Night.