No, scripture calls the body of sin the "Old Man" or what we call 'sin nature'.Just to clarify, are you talking about the resurrection body?
No, scripture calls the body of sin the "Old Man" or what we call 'sin nature'.Just to clarify, are you talking about the resurrection body?
It is the soul that is responsible for the things done in the body. Whatever the soul desires, the body is used to fulfill it. The soul cannot live on earth without a body. Man is body, soul and spirit. These three are one. When the soul departs the body it goes into eternity; whether that be heaven or hell. The body that gave it life goes back to the dust from whence it came. Man's soul is expressed in this world through a body. It was the soul that was held in captivity by the spirit of bondage before salvation. It is also the soul that cries out to God for deliverance.I can't find that verse anywhere, help me out?
If you study the 'soul' in scripture, you find it is made up of the heart; desires; appetites; emotions; will... The soul is what gives expression to the body.
Job 23:13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
Whatever the soul desires, the body is used to fulfill it.
Whatever the soul desires, the body is used to fulfill it.
At salvation, the soul or innerman which had been previously held captive by the power of sin and death, is placed inside the Holy Ghost. That is why oftentimes soul and spirit are used interchangeably or seems so much the same you can hardly discern the difference. That is why the Word says it takes the Word of God to DIVIDE IT.I am assuming you are saying that the heart (spirit) and soul are the same? Man's personality resides in man'soul, so does also his emotions and right to choose.
How ever, how do we reconcile this scripture that tells us that the soul, spirit, and body are all separate from each other?
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
I do not see sin nature as soul desires. A Nature is the identity, make up, character, essence or if you will, DNA or Genes of a person. For example, the nature of a dog is to bark. He has the nature of a dog. He does not meow because his nature is to bark. Another example: it is not the nature of a born again son of God to sin. His father is the God of this universe. His desires are not that of continually being out in the world and sinning. His nature is one of holiness and love, just like his daddy.This is what I mean by vocabulary issue. I don't want to make assumptions, but I would suggest that when people talk about "sin nature," generally they mean the same thing that you mean when you say "soul desires." If I were to talk about "sin nature," I would be talking about what you call the "soul's desires." I mean, if the soul desires something sinful, I think you can understand why people would think of that as a "nature."
Let me put in another way: if someone says to you that they rely on the Spirit of God to deny temptation, can they confidently think of themselves as "sons of God," or do they actually need use the terms you use (which don't seem to be the terms the Bible uses) by which to understand that process?
Or to put it another way, does Christ's ability to save us depend on our own ability to correctly understand, identify, categorize and label all the elements of the process of salvation?
At salvation, the soul or innerman which had been previously held captive by the power of sin and death, is placed inside the Holy Ghost. That is why oftentimes soul and spirit are used interchangeably or seems so much the same you can hardly discern the difference. That is why the Word says it takes the Word of God to DIVIDE IT.
And no, one does not need to use my words or terms to be saved. LOL
A Nature is the identity, make up, character, essence or if you will, DNA or Genes of a person.
I agree with all you said until I got to the last sentence. In the salvation process we are raised complete in Christ, body soul and spirit. The body of sin was destroyed in this process and the body of the New Man no longer is held captive to sin. The body is free to serve God in righteousness and holiness because it has been cleansed inside of the circumsicion of the flesh. We are raised a completely New Man in Christ. No longer does the flesh have the power to pull us into captivity and sin. The motions of sin and body of sin was destroyed at salvation. The desires do not come from flesh anymore but from the soul. The body is a vehicle which is used by the New Creature to move about this earth. Upon death, the body goes back to the dust. The body is not judged. It is the soul that stands before God.So, can we safely say that man,s heart (spirit), soul, and body are all separate from each other, and the only way we can tell the difference between our soul, and spirit is as we grow in the Lord, and become more mature in our understanding, to be able discern the difference from the two? If the soul of man desires anything then it would had to get this desire either from the body of flesh, or Christ which is now our new life.
I agree with all you said until I got to the last sentence. In the salvation process we are raised complete in Christ, body soul and spirit. The body of sin was destroyed in this process and the body of the New Man no longer is held captive to sin. The body is free to serve God in righteousness and holiness because it has been cleansed inside of the circumsicion of the flesh. We are raised a completely New Man in Christ. No longer does the flesh have the power to pull us into captivity and sin. The motions of sin and body of sin was destroyed at salvation. The desires do not come from flesh anymore but from the soul. The body is a vehicle which is used by the New Creature to move about this earth. Upon death, the body goes back to the dust. The body is not judged. It is the soul that stands before God.
There are two natures in the universe. Everyone in the world has one of two natures:I'm glad! And I strongly suspect that people are saying a pretty similar thing, if not the same thing, just with different terms.
Wait... Jesus changes our DNA? Before the resurrection body?
I think when most people refer to "sin nature" they would probably qualify, we have the same desires, but we don't need to be slaves to them. So in that sense, I don't thinking people are actually saying that "his desires are of the devil and he belongs to the devil." I don't know, though. You could ask them if that's what they mean. Whether we say those desires come from our "flesh" or our "soul" seems irrelevant in practical application: either way, you still have temptation, which comes from you, and you still need to turn to the Spirit to deny that temptation, and not yourself. So whatever you decide to name those concepts, the practical reality is identical.
Sister, are we not waiting to know the redemption of our body? The body of sin has been destroyed, yet we are still surrounded by it in this life. The power of sin which is in our flesh can no longer force us to do those we now hate. Yet we have been "circumcised with the circumcision not made with hands in putting off the sins of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ" This circumcision has freed us from serving sin on all levels, but this understanding takes a life time to learn, for it to become a reality to God's saints. Remember truth has never set anyone free, it is not until we know it that it sets us frees.
Yes. This body will go back to the dust. We are awaiting our new bodies. Meanwhile we can no longer blame this body when we sin because Christ took away the power of sin for us. When we sin it is because we choose to sin, dishonor the Lord and defile the temple.Sister, are we not waiting to know the redemption of our body?
It has nothing to do with the soul and your desires. It is NATURE.
I think we should know that the word, "lust" really means "desire". Jesus had a "desire" to eat after fasting 40 days, and this desire came from within his human nature. This is what made his temptation real. He was very hungry, and I am sure it was foremost on his mind at that time. The divine nature within Jesus did not need to eat anything to sustain its life for it is eternal. Jesus's human nature needed food to sustained its physical life, but Jesus was not about to prove he was the Son of God by commanding stones to be made bread.
Lust is the right word. For it is stronger than 'desire'
It is perfectly normal to be VERY hungry after not eating for 40 days .
ALL temptations are in whatever form they take are to ensnare you to act in the flesh and let the flesh rule and not the Holy Spirit .
In this case the hunger was not a sin. But a weakness in the flesh that demanded to be fed!
The temptation was to use a legitimate hunger to rule and over rule a spiritual principle namely to turn the stones into bread to meet that hunger .
His answer was "man shall not live by bread alone but by every Word that proceedeth form the mouth of God"
Some research into the first expression of that scripture relating to the children of Israel and their fall in the wilderness and also of the first Adam and Eve who fell at the same hurdle .
For man shall not LIVE by every tree that was good to eat . BUt by that Word of God that came forth from His mouth as to what was good and what was evil to eat .and by that word they LIVED .
It was the rejection of that word as to what was good and what was evil and the doing of the serpents will and suggestion that they died.
in Christ
gerald
I am assuming you are saying that the heart (spirit) and soul are the same?