Liberal Theology?

I was just listening to a video where the speaker mentioned William Barclay, a name I had heard before, but never got to know the man or his beliefs. The speaker said he has all of Barclay's books, and that Barclay believed the Bible was not inspired, that Jesus was not divine, and that He didn't rise from the dead. In other words, Jesus and all those disciples and all those followers of Christ who knew Him, they all allegedly died for what they knew was a lie! Do you get that? One of the most prominent theologians in Scotland believed what opposes the central narrative of the Bible, which is a narrative about Christ Jesus being crucified, and Him raised from the dead.

Barclay even taught that when Jesus and His disciples fed the 5000, Jesus simply backed up to a cave and His disciples handed out to Him the fish and bread stored in the cave behind Him. (LOL) I mean, can you imagine all those people being so gullible that they couldn't see what was going on, and that they were willing to die for a cause they knew was a total lie? That would make them worse than insane, because insane people generally have the human, survival instinct still intact, but those men, some of them learned, had to have been beneath the level of insanity. If Jesus had been merely insane, the Pharisees would not have bothered with Him, and they would have gotten the better of Him with their clever word tricks in the questions they asked Him. His Divine insight shut them down every time they tried to trip Him up. No insane, self-actualized messiah could have pulled it all off that many times, and with such truthful precision. They Pharisees were messing with Truth Himself, and yet clowns like Barclay wrote and taught what clearly points to his own tendency toward brilliant insanity.

Liberal theology is akin to utter insanity itself at a level that goes right down to the demonic.

Far more dangerous are those many, many false teachers out there behind pulpits, who are among those others who have a heart for God and for His people. The divisions among professing believers on the basis of false teachings versus Truth, it's an insidious condition that the enemy has orchestrated very well. The means by which the false tries to overtake the true is ecumenicalism, with some among those who desire Truth drawn in to the mix whereby that little bit of leaven...leavens the whole loaf...it's a poison that rots away within the individual the very spiritual bones meant to be the support structure for a body of truth standing upon the solid foundation of Christ Jesus.

Yep. Everyone has the freedom to believe whatsoever they wish, but that will never change the fact that liberal theology and doctrines are like parasites in the body that slowly eat away at the vital organs, eventually killing the host.

MM
 
I was just listening to a video where the speaker mentioned William Barclay, a name I had heard before, but never got to know the man or his beliefs. The speaker said he has all of Barclay's books, and that Barclay believed the Bible was not inspired, that Jesus was not divine, and that He didn't rise from the dead. In other words, Jesus and all those disciples and all those followers of Christ who knew Him, they all allegedly died for what they knew was a lie! Do you get that? One of the most prominent theologians in Scotland believed what opposes the central narrative of the Bible, which is a narrative about Christ Jesus being crucified, and Him raised from the dead.

Barclay even taught that when Jesus and His disciples fed the 5000, Jesus simply backed up to a cave and His disciples handed out to Him the fish and bread stored in the cave behind Him. (LOL) I mean, can you imagine all those people being so gullible that they couldn't see what was going on, and that they were willing to die for a cause they knew was a total lie? That would make them worse than insane, because insane people generally have the human, survival instinct still intact, but those men, some of them learned, had to have been beneath the level of insanity. If Jesus had been merely insane, the Pharisees would not have bothered with Him, and they would have gotten the better of Him with their clever word tricks in the questions they asked Him. His Divine insight shut them down every time they tried to trip Him up. No insane, self-actualized messiah could have pulled it all off that many times, and with such truthful precision. They Pharisees were messing with Truth Himself, and yet clowns like Barclay wrote and taught what clearly points to his own tendency toward brilliant insanity.

Liberal theology is akin to utter insanity itself at a level that goes right down to the demonic.

Far more dangerous are those many, many false teachers out there behind pulpits, who are among those others who have a heart for God and for His people. The divisions among professing believers on the basis of false teachings versus Truth, it's an insidious condition that the enemy has orchestrated very well. The means by which the false tries to overtake the true is ecumenicalism, with some among those who desire Truth drawn in to the mix whereby that little bit of leaven...leavens the whole loaf...it's a poison that rots away within the individual the very spiritual bones meant to be the support structure for a body of truth standing upon the solid foundation of Christ Jesus.

Yep. Everyone has the freedom to believe whatsoever they wish, but that will never change the fact that liberal theology and doctrines are like parasites in the body that slowly eat away at the vital organs, eventually killing the host.

MM

Agreed. Liberalism is the anti-Christ theology of today.

Liberalism has done more to harm the cause of Christ than anything else I can think of, and YES, it is on the same level as insanity!

Allow me to give you and example. ALL of our Presidential elections are pretty much 51% to 49%. Just 2 to 3 % points seperate the elections.

That mean in every church the same thing applies. About 50 % vote Rep and 50% Dem.

Here then is the problem. The "liberal" Church member will vote for a Democrat whose platform is Homosexual equality, and abortion.

God says that homosexual marriages and activity are an "abomination" and abortion is murder. So then how does a Christian (?) church member vote for those kind of people??? There can only be one of two reason.........

1. They are church members but are not born again Christians.
2. They have made their political position their religion.

Which one of those two is acceptable..........Neither One!

Both are rooted in liberalism and both are wrong.


Proverbs 24:10-12.......
" If thou faint in the day of adversity, thy strength is small. If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are ready to be slain; If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?"

There is going to be a lot of church members very surprised come judgement day>>>>>>>>Amen?
 
What.
Name sounds familiar. I'm pretty sure we had some books of his in the church library, but I chucked them out cos they looked too old and out of date.

He was and is famous, but very anti-Christ given his theology. His views make him acceptable to much of European thinking, which is increasingly atheistic and/or liberal.

MM
 
I found this clip a bit amusing concerning Barclay...

"He deplored the fact that churches neglected to practice discipline. (Of course, if they had, he should have been the first in line to receive such — if heresy is a disciplinary matter!)"

It pretty much sums up the contradictory theology of theological liberals.
 
So is liberal theology more like “ believe and do what you like but don’t hurt anyone ” kind of thing?

sorry. I’m still kinda new to the whole God and theology thing.

Liberal theology mostly goes along with what we might call the "social gospel." "Everyone will go to Heaven because God is only love, love love. He's doesn't get angry at you. He forgives sin because he died for them all and for every one. Just listen to Oprah and other of the universal religion folks, let's join hands and just agree that everyone believes in the truth..."

Liberal theology defies any specific definition other than to say that it teaches much if what's contrary to the absolutes that undergird the teachings of Christ Jesus. They believe God is in favor of perverse, sexual conduct as long as it's within the confines of their brand of "love." They endorse people doing whatever they wish with "their own bodies." They embrace all religions as being valid and true for those within them, and that criticisms of other religions is unseemly conduct...in other words, if the building is on fire, don't dare yell "FIRE!" That might wake someone up and cause them to feel guilty and change their beliefs.

Paul Copan has some good books on the topic, along with many other qualified authors on the subject. It's worthwhile to do some study on that realm of thought in order to be prepared to defend against it.

MM
 
So is liberal theology more like “ believe and do what you like but don’t hurt anyone ” kind of thing?

sorry. I’m still kinda new to the whole God and theology thing.
What MM said plus their usual first attack is on the miraculous, whether the Divine inspiration of Scripture or the miracles found in Scripture. IOW they are devoid of God's Spirit.

Jude 19 (KJV) These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Jude 19 (NASB) These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit.
 
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So is liberal theology more like “ believe and do what you like but don’t hurt anyone ” kind of thing?

sorry. I’m still kinda new to the whole God and theology thing.

That is pretty much the idea.

It is simply this.......do what you think is right, no matter what God has said, your heart, your thinking is the most important thing.

Some everyday examples that have effected all of our lives are---------

God said that "You shall not murder"........................................But the woman is pregnant so lets kill the baby.

God said that only men can Pastor a church............................But my wife says that God spoke to her and called her to be a Pastor.

God said that we will have pain and suffer in life.....................But I think that my Preacher has the gift to hit people on the head and heal them.

God said that homosexuality is an abomination/sin.............But my son loves his boyfriend and I think they should be married.

God said that only those who accept Christ go to heaven....But my husband was a good man and never harmed anyone.
 
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I fully agree with this, in that the aim is not to target any grouping by name or anything else. Let's all just stick to the concept itself. Keeping it topical is a far better means by which we reach others with the Truth, in love.

MM
 
That is pretty much the idea.

It is simply this.......do what you think is right, no matter what God has said, your heart, your thinking is the most important thing.

Some everyday examples that have effected all of our lives are---------

God said that "You shall not murder"........................................But the woman is pregnant so lets kill the baby.

God said that only men can Pastor a church............................But my wife says that God spoke to her and called her to be a Pastor.

God said that we will have pain and suffer in life.....................But I think that my Preacher has the gift to hit people on the head and heal them.

God said that homosexuality is an abomination/sin.............But my son loves his boyfriend and I think they should be married.

God said that only those who accept Christ go to heaven....But my husband was a good man and never harmed anyone.

So, brother, how do we convey the teachings of Christ, from ALL of scripture, and in a loving manner that's effective and powerful?

Granted, many will not accept what the Lord has said in His word, but dare we call ourselves "Christians," we must be those beacons of Light and shakers of Salt who draw others to the Truth (who is a Person, not a collection of right and proper doctrines).

For instance, I love those ministries out there that reach out to women who have had an abortion. Our culture mostly ignores the trauma that usually results from that procedure. So many are hit with guilt, which can be a good thing, and are in need of help to deal with that void. We who are mature in Christ can help them. That's what's so wonderful about being in Christ...in that we are empowered beyond what most of us realize. We can be the antithesis to the liberalism that absolutely does not liberate. The feelings of liberation are false and empty in that system of thought and belief.

MM
 
Liberal theology mostly goes along with what we might call the "social gospel." "Everyone will go to Heaven because God is only love, love love. He's doesn't get angry at you. He forgives sin because he died for them all and for every one. Just listen to Oprah and other of the universal religion folks, let's join hands and just agree that everyone believes in the truth..."

Liberal theology defies any specific definition other than to say that it teaches much if what's contrary to the absolutes that undergird the teachings of Christ Jesus. They believe God is in favor of perverse, sexual conduct as long as it's within the confines of their brand of "love." They endorse people doing whatever they wish with "their own bodies." They embrace all religions as being valid and true for those within them, and that criticisms of other religions is unseemly conduct...in other words, if the building is on fire, don't dare yell "FIRE!" That might wake someone up and cause them to feel guilty and change their beliefs.

Paul Copan has some good books on the topic, along with many other qualified authors on the subject. It's worthwhile to do some study on that realm of thought in order to be prepared to defend against it.

MM

Agree.

Liberal theology always says that there are no absolutes, no judgment, no hell.

What we are living in today....all around us is the result of "Liberalism". It is effecting everything in our lives.

If you tell the average person today that the USA is a "Christian" nation 1st and foremost, they will laugh in your face because the generation that is taking over our country today from MY generation has not been taught the difference between FACT and liberalism.

The United States "is a Christian nation." These words seem shocking today, but they were part of the 1892 Supreme Court decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States. They were penned by Justice David J. Brewer as he wrote for the majority.

President Harry Truman once sais.......
"We must never forget that this country was founded by men who came to these shores to worship God as they pleased. Catholics, Jews, and Protestants, all came here for this great purpose. They did not come here to do as they pleased — but to worship God as they pleased, and that is an important distinction."

Factually, and Historically, worshiping God has not been a partisan issue in the United States and it never should be. It was generally taught across this land that our nation was founded by those who sought freedom to worship as they chose and who built what we now call a Judeo-Christian heritage.

The "liderals" assault of the Christian faith is three-pronged.

1.
All liberals seek to redefine what it means to be a Christian.

2.
Liberals then seek to change the Word of God to make it say what they want it to say.

3.
Liberals want to elevate the ideas of their desires to change traditional thinking.

In other words......"Change the Word of God and Change history and we can change the future"!


My dear friends who read this.....YOU are in the middle of the defining moment in the life of the USA!


Liberal theology wants to change the way culture sees Christianity. We see it on several fronts. Look around you!

Liberals want to divide the church about what is right and wrong.

Example:
The United Methodists are about to split on the issue of same-sex "marriage." There's a push among the liberal faction of liberal voices that declare themselves "exvangelicals," who resist the church's stance and the Word of God on LGBT issues and abortion but want to retain and redefine what it means to be a Christian in 2019.

In the last SBC convention, there was an uproar and argument and threat of a split over whether or not women can be church Pastors.

In redefining Christianity, they want to shift the emphasis from a changed life to doing what they define as societal good.
 
Agree.

Liberal theology always says that there are no absolutes, no judgment, no hell.

What we are living in today....all around us is the result of "Liberalism". It is effecting everything in our lives.

If you tell the average person today that the USA is a "Christian" nation 1st and foremost, they will laugh in your face because the generation that is taking over our country today from MY generation has not been taught the difference between FACT and liberalism.

The United States "is a Christian nation." These words seem shocking today, but they were part of the 1892 Supreme Court decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States. They were penned by Justice David J. Brewer as he wrote for the majority.

President Harry Truman once sais.......
"We must never forget that this country was founded by men who came to these shores to worship God as they pleased. Catholics, Jews, and Protestants, all came here for this great purpose. They did not come here to do as they pleased — but to worship God as they pleased, and that is an important distinction."

Factually, and Historically, worshiping God has not been a partisan issue in the United States and it never should be. It was generally taught across this land that our nation was founded by those who sought freedom to worship as they chose and who built what we now call a Judeo-Christian heritage.

The "liderals" assault of the Christian faith is three-pronged.

1.
All liberals seek to redefine what it means to be a Christian.

2.
Liberals then seek to change the Word of God to make it say what they want it to say.

3.
Liberals want to elevate the ideas of their desires to change traditional thinking.

In other words......"Change the Word of God and Change history and we can change the future"!


My dear friends who read this.....YOU are in the middle of the defining moment in the life of the USA!


Liberal theology wants to change the way culture sees Christianity. We see it on several fronts. Look around you!

Liberals want to divide the church about what is right and wrong.

Example:
The United Methodists are about to split on the issue of same-sex "marriage." There's a push among the liberal faction of liberal voices that declare themselves "exvangelicals," who resist the church's stance and the Word of God on LGBT issues and abortion but want to retain and redefine what it means to be a Christian in 2019.

In the last SBC convention, there was an uproar and argument and threat of a split over whether or not women can be church Pastors.

In redefining Christianity, they want to shift the emphasis from a changed life to doing what they define as societal good.
Aka humanism, where man is the measure of all things.
 
Yes, we are seeing a tremendous shift in cultural and social values, going along with all that is liberal theology. It doesn't lead, but rather follows and re-patterns itself into compliance with the ebb and flow of what's around us.

However, in spit of all this, I also am forced to recognize how great of evils the Lord has held back from taking over this world. We see what's increasing evil, but, oh my, FAR greater evil is still being held back by Holy Spirit. This is helping me to keep from becoming depressed over what we're seeing all around us. The encroaching darkness of evil cannot touch any of us except it be the will of the Lord...keeping Job in mind as a case in point.

The gates of Hell shall remain vulnerable to the Church so long as we remain on this earth. After we are removed...

MM
 
So, brother, how do we convey the teachings of Christ, from ALL of scripture, and in a loving manner that's effective and powerful?

Granted, many will not accept what the Lord has said in His word, but dare we call ourselves "Christians," we must be those beacons of Light and shakers of Salt who draw others to the Truth (who is a Person, not a collection of right and proper doctrines).

For instance, I love those ministries out there that reach out to women who have had an abortion. Our culture mostly ignores the trauma that usually results from that procedure. So many are hit with guilt, which can be a good thing, and are in need of help to deal with that void. We who are mature in Christ can help them. That's what's so wonderful about being in Christ...in that we are empowered beyond what most of us realize. We can be the antithesis to the liberalism that absolutely does not liberate. The feelings of liberation are false and empty in that system of thought and belief.

MM

This is just my personal opinion MM. I am not convinced that the world situation can be turned around. It just may be that what we are seeing and living in is exactly what God has said we would be doing in these last days.

I for one believe that we are in those last days where God has already told us in Matthew 24:12......
"And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."

Why?

2 Timothy 4:3-4.............
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

That time is here now.....IMO!

2 Timothy 3:1-7...........
"But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. 6 For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, 7 always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth."

Does that mean we as the church should stop reaching out to do what we are called by God to do....NO!

My church in fact owns a house in which we allow unwed mothers, and pregnant women out of wedlock to live until they can be on there own.
It runs much like the Ronald McDonald house operates.

We also fund a counseling operation in town for those who have had an abortion and are suffering the consequences.

We also have a group that meets every week called "Recovery" for those coming out of addiction!

All of this "liberates" those people and gives them the ability to be set free from their guilt and bondage. It costs them nothing and all is funded by the believers of the church who want to show these people the love of Christ.

All we ask is that they attend Sunday worship services and listen to the Word of God. When they here that no matter what they have done.......
God still loves them and in Christ, died to set them free....that is the payment for what is being done for them. THAT is what brings tears to eyes of the church when those individuals come to Christ and walk down the isle!!!!
 
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