So in your estimation salvation is first by Jesus Christ and then we complete His work through our obedience?
Are we saved by Grace alone thru faith alone?
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Yes.
Let me go back to this statement of yours.
When you say 'we must participate in our salvation' isn't this an admission that we already have salvation? Otherwise how do we participate in something we don't yet have?
i stand by Ephesian 2 saved by grace through faith
Yes, I believe we receive salvation as a gift and we are regenerated for good works. Not that we must have good works before we are regenerated.
Since the Assemblies of God has no "Sacraments", and only TWO "Ordinances" (things we do because we believe Jesus instructed us to), which are "Baptism" in water by immersion in the three titles, and "Communion" normally served once a month.
Neither per AOG have any effectual grace in them!
That sounds like we co assist Giod to save us then? that we can lose our salvation if we do not act rightly enough long enough?
Alone
James is just stating that one who has been really saved and now as eternal life will be able to show that by good works, not that they are any part of saving them, but the fruit of being saved!
Good answer, Captain Obvious!!!!
How many or what quality of good works will one need 'to show' that they have 'really' been saved?
As Calvin himself stated on this, while we are indeed saved by grace alone thru faith alone, saving faith will not be alone, as it will have evidence of some fruit to support it!
Right, I've heard most all the sayings, I was just wondering 'how little or how much works need to accompany faith in order for that faith to have sufficient evidence for support?'.
alone what ?
works follows so most any thing do for the cause of Christ is by faith . with out it is impossible to please God.. how much size of a mustard seed
Why do works follow and who should get the glory for those works?
why ask why what does the Bible say ? Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. james says faith works . when you do something in Christ name is because you want to impress God ? or why ? what is vainglory? you can answer your own question there is the answer
actually works has nothing to do with being saved. yes there is obedience to what the Holy spirt leads us to do . some think you have dot every I cross every T to be saved, some think you have to beg and plead to be forgiven... Not so 1 john 1:9 we confess to him then repent by Godly sorrow if we give a cup of cold water in his name . that is works
.Many ask questions in the Bible. It's a good method of learning.
Right. Our works have nothing to add to our salvation, but His works is what saves us....even Him working in us (sanctification) results in 'good works (fruit) unto His glory...not ours.