What’s the meaning of receiving mark of the beast and of not being able to buy or sell?
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The Greek can also mean that when the events start to happen, then will happen all quickly!
The nail in the coffin for preterism is that the second coming event has yet to happen!
True, but 2Pet 3.8 doesn't use the word 'soon' or 'quickly', but it is a valid point for those who are scoffing at His timing.
The JudIzer scoffers already came in Peter's day. How do I know that? Well, the s offers said "ever since the fathers died". Only Hebrews would say that, and you know it .
So Peter said to his audience at the time that God is not slack as some all slackers.
If you studied well, one certainly knows that Peter was claiming that was the "end times"
Read it again with audience relevance in mind.
Actually, the nail 8n the coffin for futurists is that you make Jesus a false prophet if that didn't happen "soon"
Soon cam mean when all those things predicted come to pass!
I agree.......but the Preterist say that Jesus came in 70 AD.
No mam. That is not what "soon" meant when John wrote it.
Rev 1:1-3 —
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, 2who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.”
The word in verse 1 that is translated as “soon” or “shortly” is the Greek word “tachei” [Strong’s #5034]. Notice how this word is defined:
Strong’s — quickness, speed; hastily, immediately
HELPS — swiftness (speed), i.e. done as quickly (speedily) as is appropriate to the particular situation (HELPS Word-studies, The Discovery Bible New Testament, Gary Hill).
verse 1 is saying only that God is causing the fulfillment of these prophecies to approach quickly. Regardless of how long it takes, we are not to construe the apparently long delay as idleness on God’s part.
People who live in (say) California will say that an earthquake is imminent because they know it can come any time, and there’s nothing (that they know about) which must happen before the earthquake strikes. But even so, they can’t say with any certainty how much time will pass before it does strike.
The key thing that makes an event imminent is that, as far as we know, it’s ready to happen but its timing is unknown. This agrees exactly with the way Jesus described His return in the end times:
Mark 13:32-37 — 32“But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 33“Take heed, keep on the alert; for you do not know when the appointed time will come. 34“It is like a man away on a journey, who upon leaving his house and putting his slaves in charge, assigning to each one his task, also commanded the doorkeeper to stay on the alert. 35“Therefore, be on the alert—for you do not know when the master of the house is coming, whether in the evening, at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or in the morning— 36in case he should come suddenly and find you asleep. 37“What I say to you I say to all, ‘Be on the alert!’”
So, the right understanding is that WHEN the events begin to happen in the Rev., they will take place quickly.....with in 7 years!
Preterist do not scoff at the 2nd Coming. They believe it has already taken place!!!!
They contend that Jesus’ use of the phrase this generation in His Olivet Discourse requires fulfillment in the first century.
"Partial Preterism," holds to two second Comings:
one that occurred in A.D. 70 as a parousia (Greek, “coming” or “advent”) and Day of the lord for the purpose of judging the Jewish nation and
one that will occur universally at the climax of human history as the final and ultimate Day of the Lord.
They do that simply because if it happened in 70 AD......the 1000 Year rule of Christ has come and gone and that blows their teaching away as it is obviouse that did not happen. So they had to invent another false reasoning.
For the prophecies of Revelation to fit into the Roman conquest of Jerusalem, it is necessary to date the composition of the book before A.D. 70. So to do that they try and change real factual history.
Then, If Preterism’s interpretation of prophecy were correct, the historical record should support details. However, the opposite is the case.
To the Preterists, Jesus will never return again bodily. However, the divine declaration in Acts 1:11, .......
“This same Jesus…will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven,” contradicts both Partial and Full Preterism.
The teaching then is false. It not only distorts the prophetic program and denies the blessed hope (Ti. 2:13) but promotes the deception that there will be no end to history, that evil has been eradicated from the world (Full Preterism), and that believers now live in the eternal state.
Oh yes Mr.
MELLO: Things “About To” Happen
“Because thou didst keep the word of my endurance, I also will keep thee from the hour of the trial that is about to come upon all the world, to try those dwelling upon the earth.” (Rev 3:10 YLT)
The New Testament (NT) tells us about many events which were “about to” happen during the lives of Jesus and his disciples; things which were imminent and expected to occur within a short time. In order to convey this meaning, the original NT manuscripts use the Greek word “μέλλω” (mello), which means: “I intend to, I am about to”. So, whenever something was “about to” happen, the Greek NT would say “mello” this or that.
For example, when Jesus prophesied his coming crucifixion, he told his disciples that the Son of Man “is about to” [Gk: μέλλει : mellei] suffer at the hands of certain men (Matt 17:12).
Later, in Galilee, Jesus repeated that prophecy, saying that the Son of Man “is about to” [Gk: μέλλει : mellei] be delivered into the hands of men (Matt 17:22). [NB: “mellei” is 3rd person singular form of the word “mello”.]
1. USE OF “MELLO” TO WARN OF IMMINENT ACTIONS OR EVENTS.
That Greek word “mello” appears 110 times in various forms in the NT. Here are more examples:
MATTHEW’S GOSPEL
Matt 2:13 - Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to [Gk: μέλλει : mellei : is about to] search for the child, to destroy him.”
Matt 20:22 - Jesus answered, “You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I am [Gk: μέλλω : mello : I am about to] to drink?” They said to him, “We are able.”
MARK’S GOSPEL
Mark 10:32 - And they were on the road, going up to Jerusalem, and Jesus was walking ahead of them. And they were amazed, and those who followed were afraid. And taking the twelve again, he began to tell them what was [Gk: μέλλοντα : mellonta : about to] to happen to him
Here are some examples of the use of “mello” in Revelation, from YLT:
Write the things that thou hast seen, and the things that are, and the things that are about to come after these things
(Rev 1:19)
Revelation 1:19 YLT - Write the things that thou hast seen, and the things that are, and the things that are about to [Gk: μέλλει : mellei : is (are) about to] iii ) come after these things;
Revelation 2:10 YLT - Be not afraid of the things that thou art about to [Gk: μέλλεις : melleis : are about to] suffer; lo, the devil is about to [Gk: μέλλει : mellei : is about to] cast of you to prison, that ye may be tried, and ye shall have tribulation ten days; become thou faithful unto death, and I will give to thee the crown of the life.
Revelation 3:10,16 YLT - Because thou didst keep the word of my endurance, I also will keep thee from the hour of the trial that is about to [Gk: μελλούσης : mellouses : which is about to] come upon all the world iv, to try those dwelling upon the earth v … So ‐‐ because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to [Gk: μέλλω : mello : I am about to] vomit thee out of my mouth.
Revelation 6:11 YLT - and there was given to each one white robes, and it was said to them that they may rest themselves yet a little time, till may be fulfilled also their fellow-servants and their brethren, who are about to [Gk: μέλλοντες : mellontes : are about to] be killed ‐‐ even as they.
Revelation 8:13 YLT - And I saw, and I heard one messenger, flying in the mid-heaven, saying with a great voice, ‘Wo, wo, wo, to those dwelling upon the land from the rest of the voices of the trumpet of the three messengers who are about to [Gk: μελλόντων : mellonton : are about to] sound.’
Revelation 12:5 YLT - and she brought forth a male child, who is about to [Gk: μέλλει : mellei : is about to] rule all the nations with a rod of iron, and caught away was her child unto God and His throne.
What would be the point of telling Christians in the 1st Century about apocalyptic events, if those things were not expected for thousands of years… after they were all dead and their world had disappeared? How could those events have any meaning or significance to 1st Century people, if they would NOT live to see and experience them? It just doesn’t make any sense.
Conversely, if those early Christians were “ABOUT TO” experience great tribulations and persecutions, they would obviously find encouragement and hope in the knowledge that “SOON” their Lord Jesus Christ was “ABOUT TO” return and rescue them from their enemies… the last wicked and perverse generation of Old Covenant Jews and their temporary Roman allies.
The obvious meaning of the Greek word “mello” throughout the New Testament is that certain things were “ABOUT TO” happen… SOON… in a very short time. And when it refers to the parousia (Second Coming) of Christ, the word “mello” was clearly intended to warn people that it was “ABOUT TO” happen, in the lifetime of those early Christians. This is exactly what Jesus promised his disciples:
“27 For, the Son of Man is about to [Gk: μέλλει : mellei : is about to] come in the glory of his Father, with his messengers, and then he will reward each, according to his work. 28 Verily I say to you, there are certain of those standing here who shall not taste of death till they may see the Son of Man coming in his reign.” (Matthew 16:27-28 YLT)
2 Peter 3:3 CSB
[3] Above all, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days scoffing and following their own evil desires,
‘Will come’ sounds future to me.
I know lots about preterism, but I wasn’t thinking about preterism when I made my comment above.
if we take just verse 3 out of context from all that Peter said in ch.3, I would agree. However, Peter said that the Lord had said, that in the last days there would be scoffers..... Peter is also describing the Judaizers who said to him " where is the promise of His coming ever since the fathers died.....
So, Peter is speaking about his present time As a Hebrew he knows that the last days of old covenant Israel was upon them and he was looking for the new Jerusalem where righteousness dwells.
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Present time? Is that why Peter said, ...
8 ¶ But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? (2Pe 3:8, 10, 12)
So if Christ had already come (70AD) then why do we not see the heavens and earth passed away?
Can I just interrupt and ask what may be a real dumb question....
Who or what is 'Preter'.
When people keep talking about 'Preterism' what do they actually mean. Who was Preter? Was he a guy that just had an unusual spelling to his name, because I know there's Peter, but I've never heard of anyone in the Bible called Preter.
...?!
Who or what is 'Preter'.
When people keep talking about 'Preterism' what do they actually mean. Who was Preter? Was he a guy that just had an unusual spelling to his name, because I know there's Peter, but I've never heard of anyone in the Bible called Preter.
...?!
Preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is a prefix pointing to that something is "past" or "beyond", in this case most, if not all prophecies were fulfilled by 70 AD according to full or partial preterists.
I knew that! I was pointing toward another.
Short abbreviation for "Preterist." = Preter!
Preterist is a false teaching theology or the preterist view of eschatology is the Christian belief that Jesus has already returned and that most, if not all, end time prophecies have been fulfilled primarily or exclusively in the first century. An artistic depiction of the second coming as it is described in Revelation 19.
The preterist movement essentially teaches that all the end-times prophecies of the New Testament were fulfilled in AD 70 when the Romans attacked and destroyed Jerusalem. Preterism teaches that every event normally associated with the end times—Christ’s second coming, the tribulation, the resurrection of the dead, the final judgment—has already happened. (In the case of the final judgment, it still is in the process of being fulfilled.) Jesus’ return to earth was a “spiritual” return, not a physical one.
Preterism teaches that the Law was fulfilled in AD 70 and God’s covenant with Israel was ended and that God is finished with Israel.