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YeshuaFan said:
True, but only requirement to take communion seems to be saved and not walking in knowing unconfessed sinning!
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Speaking of unconfessed sinning, it’s interesting that Jesus administered communion to Judas after marking him out as one who would betray Him. ..

John 13:21,26-27 CSB
[21] When Jesus had said this, he was troubled in his spirit and testified, "Truly I tell you, one of you will betray me." [26] Jesus replied, "He's the one I give the piece of bread to after I have dipped it." When he had dipped the bread, he gave it to Judas, Simon Iscariot's son. [27] After Judas ate the piece of bread, Satan entered him. So Jesus told him, "What you're doing, do quickly."
 
Major said:
Explain your thoughts on Baptist "Confirmation".

Most Southern Baptist churches I know of permit anyone who has put his or her faith in Jesus Christ to participate in the Lord's Supper.

Do you service a "Closed" communion a in......if you are not a Baptist then you are not allowed to participate.
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we practice open communion, as any saved and who are not into unconfessed knowing sin can partake!
 
YeshuaFan said:
we practice open communion, as any saved and who are not into unconfessed knowing sin can partake!
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YeshuaFan said:
Closed Communion to me is very strange concept, as who are we to deny those whom Christ saved and redeemed?
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Hello YeshuaFan;

Open and closed communion is wording I don't remember using. But when I relate to both, then open communion is what we worship in the Eucharist. I do invite all in our Communion Worship to partake but also stress this is a personal decision between them and Christ. If there are reservations - the one in mind is unconfessed sin, then I'll encourage those not to partake.

Some have come up to me after service and will speak with me about their decision not to partake which I do commend.

Closed communion only being for those Christians who meet the criteria of being a Baptist or other denomination is a doctrine many churches practice, but one I don't find Biblical or agree with.
 
crossnote said:
Speaking of unconfessed sinning, it’s interesting that Jesus administered communion to Judas after marking him out as one who would betray Him. ..

John 13:21,26-27 CSB
[21] When Jesus had said this, he was troubled in his spirit and testified, "Truly I tell you, one of you will betray me." [26] Jesus replied, "He's the one I give the piece of bread to after I have dipped it." When he had dipped the bread, he gave it to Judas, Simon Iscariot's son. [27] After Judas ate the piece of bread, Satan entered him. So Jesus told him, "What you're doing, do quickly."
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THAT is very interesting!!!!

I had never thought about that.
YeshuaFan said:
Closed Communion to me is very strange concept, as who are we to deny those whom Christ saved and redeemed?
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I agree!
 
bobinfaith said:
Hello YeshuaFan;

Open and closed communion is wording I don't remember using. But when I relate to both, then open communion is what we worship in the Eucharist. I do invite all in our Communion Worship to partake but also stress this is a personal decision between them and Christ. If there are reservations - the one in mind is unconfessed sin, then I'll encourage those not to partake.

Some have come up to me after service and will speak with me about their decision not to partake which I do commend.

Closed communion only being for those Christians who meet the criteria of being a Baptist or other denomination is a doctrine many churches practice, but one I don't find Biblical or agree with.
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Agreed. If we (church) have a closed service then we (Church) are making ourselves the judges of those in the service.

I would have a real problem with that!
 
Major said:
It was just a JOKE my friend! No more and no less.
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i have had them kind of jokes after church service.. i realize foot washing is not everyone . some even make fun of it. why i have no idea if done in the right spirit it can be humbling.. the towel is a servants badge .but never the less i will not pursue it
 
From what I understand closed communion follows the idea that a Church is a communion of like minded individuals agreeing to a basic set of beliefs. Those disagreeing with those beliefs would not be in fellowship (communion) anyways.
On what grounds would there be doctrinal discipline if Church was one big free for all?

2 Corinthians 6:15 (KJV) And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

(I'm only trying to present a case for closed communion: not that I necessarily agree with the concept.)
 
crossnote said:
From what I understand closed communion follows the idea that a Church is a communion of like minded individuals agreeing to a basic set of beliefs. Those disagreeing with those beliefs would not be in fellowship (communion) anyways.
On what grounds would there be doctrinal discipline if Church was one big free for all?

2 Corinthians 6:15 (KJV) And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

(I'm only trying to present a case for closed communion: not that I necessarily agree with the concept.)
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As long as have been saved though, regardless if Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian etc, we are all one in Christ, just free to disagree on doctrines and practices!
 
crossnote said:
From what I understand closed communion follows the idea that a Church is a communion of like minded individuals agreeing to a basic set of beliefs. Those disagreeing with those beliefs would not be in fellowship (communion) anyways.
On what grounds would there be doctrinal discipline if Church was one big free for all?

2 Corinthians 6:15 (KJV) And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

(I'm only trying to present a case for closed communion: not that I necessarily agree with the concept.)
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Well......the 1st thing that comes to my mind is that The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and can be properly observed only as a church ordinance. And therefore those only who are members of a church can properly partake of it.

Now if we then consider that all who accept Christ are part of His body, "the Church" then that idea is mute.

THen I would say that The Baptist denomination is held together by no ecclesiastical or episcopal organization. We are so many units of the same kind and as a denomination we are what we are because we believe something definite and distinctive.

THen we should consider that if a man has the thought of some "UN-Biblical" practices as his religion, and comes to a Baptist church and partakes of Communion, he is and can be in mortal danger.

"For whosoever eats this bread and drinks this cup when he is not prepared to do so, brings condemnation upon himself. "

For example, if a Mormon believer or A Jehovah Witness is in attendance and partakes of the Lords Supper, he is in in danger.
WHY........He is not a Christian believer and has chosen to believe the lie and is therefore "UNWORTHY".

We could say the same thing about a Baptist believer who happens to be in a CAtholic church or Episcopalian. If he takes communion there, he is accepting the false teaching of Transubstanciation.
 
Major said:
Well......the 1st thing that comes to my mind is that The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and can be properly observed only as a church ordinance. And therefore those only who are members of a church can properly partake of it.

Now if we then consider that all who accept Christ are part of His body, "the Church" then that idea is mute.
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I think it was Vernon McGee that said something to the effect of "Invisible Communion for the invisible Church".
Major said:
THen we should consider that if a man has the thought of some "UN-Biblical" practices as his religion, and comes to a Baptist church and partakes of Communion, he is and can be in mortal danger.

"For whosoever eats this bread and drinks this cup when he is not prepared to do so, brings condemnation upon himself. "

For example, if a Mormon believer or A Jehovah Witness is in attendance and partakes of the Lords Supper, he is in in danger.
WHY........He is not a Christian believer and has chosen to believe the lie and is therefore "UNWORTHY".
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That's usually the reason given for 'closed' communion...to protect others from partaking unworthily, thus bringing condemnation on themselves.
 
I don't know, the reasons given for closed communion seem a bit suss because a believer is a believer I don't think it would even matter if the person that baked the bread or served the wine adhered to a different doctrine from the one partaking, as God is the one who sees into the hearts of those taking communion - it isn't the one who is speaking over it who has control over what every single person in the congregation believes.

Obviously, Judas was bringing condemnation upon himself for not believing when he partook in the Lords supper. But it wasn't as if Jesus said ok disciples, everyone except for Judas can have the passover meal. He didn't call him out for it or stop him from eating. He just said while they were eating, that one of them would betray him. But as you can read in the gospels, the disciples had to examine their own hearts at that point. They even asked, is it I?
 
I think you can tell if someone is there for the meal or some other agenda if they don't give thanks. I know it's probably frustrating for some churches to provide the Lord's supper if all people are going to do is abuse God's goodness. But I think can go to the other extreme of 'none of you are worthy' so that the bread and wine are kept locked away and NOBODY gets to partake. It kind of ruins the point of communion which is meant to be shared.

For some people, they must taste and see the Lord is good. How can they if they never get the chance.
 
Lanolin said:
I don't know, the reasons given for closed communion seem a bit suss because a believer is a believer I don't think it would even matter if the person that baked the bread or served the wine adhered to a different doctrine from the one partaking, as God is the one who sees into the hearts of those taking communion - it isn't the one who is speaking over it who has control over what every single person in the congregation believes.

Obviously, Judas was bringing condemnation upon himself for not believing when he partook in the Lords supper. But it wasn't as if Jesus said ok disciples, everyone except for Judas can have the passover meal. He didn't call him out for it or stop him from eating. He just said while they were eating, that one of them would betray him. But as you can read in the gospels, the disciples had to examine their own hearts at that point. They even asked, is it I?
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It makes all the difference in the world!
 
Major said:
Well......the 1st thing that comes to my mind is that The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and can be properly observed only as a church ordinance. And therefore those only who are members of a church can properly partake of it.

Now if we then consider that all who accept Christ are part of His body, "the Church" then that idea is mute.

THen I would say that The Baptist denomination is held together by no ecclesiastical or episcopal organization. We are so many units of the same kind and as a denomination we are what we are because we believe something definite and distinctive.

THen we should consider that if a man has the thought of some "UN-Biblical" practices as his religion, and comes to a Baptist church and partakes of Communion, he is and can be in mortal danger.

"For whosoever eats this bread and drinks this cup when he is not prepared to do so, brings condemnation upon himself. "

For example, if a Mormon believer or A Jehovah Witness is in attendance and partakes of the Lords Supper, he is in in danger.
WHY........He is not a Christian believer and has chosen to believe the lie and is therefore "UNWORTHY".

We could say the same thing about a Baptist believer who happens to be in a CAtholic church or Episcopalian. If he takes communion there, he is accepting the false teaching of Transubstanciation.
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except if they are really saved, despite being in a church that teaches falsely, they should be ok to partake, but best to actually leave that church also!
 
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