Were There Humans In Heaven Before Jesus Ascended.
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Who would it have been? What Scripture supports your post in light of John 3:13...........
"No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man."
That was their "Spirits", not their human bodies.
The first great resurrection of the Church will occur at the time of the rapture. All those who have placed their trust in Jesus Christ during the Church Age, and have died before Jesus returns, will be resurrected at the rapture.
In both premillennial and amillennial theology, Old Testament saints will be resurrected when Jesus Christ returns in what is referred to as the Second Coming of Christ. They receive their glorified bodies then so that they will be known then as they were known then.
Read Daniel 12:1-2 for validation.
I believe they were in the paradise side of Hades/Sheol and were called to the earth at that time. Afterward they returned to paradise, where they wait to be caught up in the rapture.
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then where did those go who died before the resurrections? Hebrews 11 i am not going get all technical in the o.t they had to look to the finished works of the cross Isiah 53 . heaven has always been heaven how else would the o.t prophets go? soul sleep there are things beyond our comprehension . i am not a supporter of soul sleep
They went to Paradise f61. That is the same place that the thief on the cross went to when Jesus told him....."Today you will be with me in PARADISE!"
This has nothing to do with soul sleep!
Luke 16:23-25...........
"And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
When Jesus ascended to heaven, He took all the OT saints spirts with Him to heaven from the Paradise side of Sheol/Hades.
Now Why was it necessary for the Old Testament saints to be held in "paradise" prior to the resurrection of Jesus?
The answer is found in Hebrews 11:39-40:
"And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise, God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect."
II Tim. 3:17.........
" That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."
In other words, our faith makes us "perfect" (Greek: telios - complete) in Christ Jesus, but that was not possible until the atoning sacrifice had been made on the cross. The Old Testament saints were made "perfect," but not until after the sacrifice that makes Believers today "perfect" also. Perfect here is used in the context of righteousness. Believers are made "righteous" or "perfect" in Christ as a result of his sacrificial death.
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
by the sea shore innumerable.
13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
as i stated by faith the looked to the finished works of the cross/ heaven has been there from the beginning
9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
by the sea shore innumerable.
13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
as i stated by faith the looked to the finished works of the cross/ heaven has been there from the beginning
you have yours and i have mine . i plan on sticking with mine . the resurrections gives us n.t saved = eternal life the cross paid the price for our sins
The N’filim we're not human,we know this. Otherwise the narrative would not say the sons of God looked upon the daughters of men.
The offspring of their union with women were the N’filim.
Sons of God,bin Elohim, is further proof they were not human.
Human reproduction doesn't produce giants.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/nephilim
NEPHILIM (Heb. נְפִילִים), a race of giants said to have dwelt in pre-Israelite Canaan (Num. 13:33). Genesis 6:1–2 relates that the "sons of gods," i.e., divine or angelic beings, took mortal wives; verse 4 continues, "It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared [lit., were] on earth–when the divine beings cohabited with the daughters of men, who bore them offspring. They were the heroes [Heb. gibborim] of old, the men of renown." This could mean that the Nephilim were contemporaneous, but not identical, with the offspring of divine beings and earthly women, who were called gibborim (so, e.g., Morgenstern, in HUCA 14 (1939), 85ff.). The above translation, however, follows an ancient tradition in equating the Nephilim and the gibborim as offspring of the union of *angels and mortals .
No problem for me.
Correct. They looked to the cross and when Jesus died on it, their looking and hoping was realized. They could not go to where God is in heaven until the sacrifice of the perfect blood of God was done!
The Old Testament's animal sacrifices could never be a basis for forgiveness of sins. Only Jesus' death on the cross could serve that purpose. All of those animal sacrifices were a TYPE or a PICTURE of the sacrifice of Jesus.
The PARADISE of Luke 16 was "Relocated" to the 3rd heaven when Jesus ascended there and took the Old Test. saints with Him!
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My dear friend..........this has nothing to do with the subject of this thread!
However.....I will accommodate your post and in your above quote it says =
"The above translation, however, follows an ancient tradition in equating the Nephilim and the gibborim as offspring of the union of *angels and mortals"
Anyone can visit site after site to find something to support what they want to believe. I however use the Bible!!!!
When we read the Bible we see that The Nephilim are known as great warriors and biblical giants (see Ezekiel 32:27 and Numbers 13:33).
In this sinful and wicked last days’ generation, a great many folk have ever-itching ears to hear and believe some new false doctrine shed abroad by a great number of people, And a perennial favorite is the false doctrine that the nephilim (Hebrew), for giants, of Genesis 6 are the offspring of fallen angels and the daughters of men.
Please note that throughout God’s holy Word, “the sons of God” refer, exclusively, to ALL WHO ARE OWNED BY GOD...both GOOD angels and saved humans. Never is there any record of demons or fallen angels referred to as "Sons of God".
Acts 17:26-28 tells us something very important.
"And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring."
Amen — let us praise Him continuously, for He is good, and His mercy endureth forever! The above passage makes it irrefutably clear that mankind is of one blood. There are not only no separate races of people on earth, but, further, there is no hybrid race of men sprung from any fallen angels. Period.
No sir.....I have NO opinions which is way I posted the Scripture in Luke 16. YOU asked where the O.T. saints went at death and I gave you what the Bible said.
You said........"saved = eternal life the cross paid the price for our sins".
Almost!.....JESUS on the cross paid for our sins brother.
Now the sons of God matter has nothing to do with this thread?
Sad.
ummmmmmmm hold up I NEVER asked such a thing i commented - and to clarify things up.. i never used the word opinions .
lol you got to correct when i say the cross it has Jesus included
Take time to read post #105 again where you asked...........
"then where did those go who died before the resurrections?" (Note the Question mark)
To that question I responded with Luke 16 and Paradise where Abraham and Lazarus were at. in #106.
I did not correct you! The point is that a lot of people read what we post and we do not want to give a false impression to them that salvation is anything less that what God did when He did on the cross.
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The "spirit" of the thread is, Were there any humans in heaven before Jesus".
You are insisting on discussing the NEPHILIM. That is a worthy subject and I would enjoy talking with you about it.
There is a thread already in place and that is where we should discuss the nonexistence of them. But for the sack of those who care less.....
I think we should stay with the spirit of THIS thread.
Start another thread !
there is no false impressions even Paul wrote the preaching of the Cross is foolishness' to the lost . but to those saved its our power. so there is no false impression on just using the cross
I'll leave that to the one that chose to introduce the topic and therein invited responses.