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Or when He was brutally executed and quietly said 'Forgive them Father for they know not what they do'?
Ca Gov.brown Signs Bill Deletes Husband/wife From Marriage Law-replaces W/spouse To Accommodate Gays
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Yes He is Wonderful in His mercy! And made the way for all to be delivered from sin.
Rom 6:1
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Remember, Jesus lived under the Old Testament, but when He rose from the dead and sent the Holy Spirit, no man now has an excuse to not believe the truth as the law is written on their hearts. They now know what they are doing is wrong.
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My point was that Christians are called to be gentle and peaceful.
Yes , but to be wise as serpents. Gentle and peaceful does not mean weak. Love is coming to judge this world riding on a horse with an inscription on his thigh called "the Word of God" and a double edged sword will proceed out of his mouth to execute justice.
I think you have love and hate mixed up. Love will tell someone what they are doing is wrong. Hate wont say a word.
Sodomites are not our brothers and sisters in Christ.
They are condemned as sinners for their unrepentant immoral fornication's and lusts of the flesh. Only until they repent and come to Christ and receive God's grace and abstain or change those behaviors God decrees are an abomination to him, shall they be our kindred in the Lord.
Are you not aware of this?
There is nothing wrong with kindness and compassion. However, we are not called by God to be as doormats for the wicked among us. We are told not to be revengeful, we are not told to bow to the corrupt and allow their sins to overcome our righteousness. What lesson would we teach them then, being we are to live as an example of Jesus' teachings, if we permitted sin to flourish and did nothing to rebuke it?
We are to give respect to those whom respect is owed. And honor to whom honor is owed. And while Jesus said to love our neighbor as ourselves, he never commanded us to love their sinful deeds and behaviors. Not once.
Further, I think you are reading Matthew 5:40 not as it should fully be understood. No, we're not to be litigious. However, if we are wronged in a large matter we are to pursue justice, just not out of a sense of revenge.
(Matthew Henry Commentary) (excerpted at (3)The Jews taught that the disciples of the wise, and the students of the law, were not to be pressed, as others might, by the king’s officers, to travel upon the public service; but Christ will not have his disciples to insist upon this privilege, but to comply rather than offend the government. The sum of all is, that Christians must not be litigious; small injuries must be submitted to, and no notice taken of them; and if the injury be such as requires us to seek reparation, it must be for a good end, and without thought of revenge: though we must not invite injuries, yet we must meet them cheerfully in the way of duty, and make the best of them.
If we are to be Christ like, remembering God is Jesus incarnate, the scriptures remind us that God was no pushover. He did not turn the other cheek. Nor did he permit the wicked to prosper. Ultimately , he delivers this message when he insures his righteous judgment and sentences the wicked in his lofty Heavenly court to eternal separation from him.
I believe if we thank God for the blessings we receive, we insult God by allowing the wicked to steal them from us and stand not opposed to the very act of sin that shall condemn them for all eternity unto Hell. While standing opposed we stand to lead them to better ways of behaving so that they are not so imperiled by their actions that have yet gone unabated.
Luke 11:21 When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are safe;
Proverbs 21:15 When justice is done, it is a joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers.
Proverbs 25:26 Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.
Perhaps. And how would you know that?
But what is that to the Christian? California may be like unto Sodom and Gomorrah in the modern age, especially so in San Francisco, but that does not mean there is not one righteous in that state. As 53% demonstrated when they voted YES for Proposition 8 years ago.
That the unrighteous SCOTUS repealed that effort is not the good people of California's responsibility.Each is responsible for their sins alone. What would permit California to lead in the porn production industry are the consumers who's demand makes the market grow fat for want of it.
That is something to be repented of, mourned even, prayed for. It is not something that matters otherwise to the Christian. Unless a Christian is a consumer of porn. In which case they need to take a personal inventory on what it means to be of Christ.
Perhaps. And how would you know that?
But what is that to the Christian? California may be like unto Sodom and Gomorrah in the modern age, especially so in San Francisco, but that does not mean there is not one righteous in that state. As 53% demonstrated when they voted YES for Proposition 8 years ago.
That the unrighteous SCOTUS repealed that effort is not the good people of California's responsibility.Each is responsible for their sins alone. What would permit California to lead in the porn production industry are the consumers who's demand makes the market grow fat for want of it.
That is something to be repented of, mourned even, prayed for. It is not something that matters otherwise to the Christian. Unless a Christian is a consumer of porn. In which case they need to take a personal inventory on what it means to be of Christ.
It is not too hard to find that kind of info.
I investigated it a few years ago to prepare a paper on it. Also found out that the largest consumers of porn per capita is.......ready????
Saudi Arabia!
I didn't say there were none righteous. Just stating facts.
Also found out that the city which consumes the most alcohol per capita is Washington DC.
Just the facts mam, nothing personal.
No, I wasn't ready for that.
WOW! I never took it personal. That's why I asked how you came to know all this.
The alcohol D.C. thing I can believe. John Boehner has a bit of a relationship with wine to hear those on the Hill tell it. And they don't really have to say anything from what many have seen when he's on TV.
Mitspa......I believe that Satan is working to destroy the Family unit that God put into place with Adam and Eve. He is working through Abortion and homosexuality to do this very effectively and many Christians are just rolling over and being passive and acting as if it is OK with God to do these things.
It is not political neither is it a choice of Liberals. IT is depraved sin! IMO!.
No, I wasn't ready for that.
I never took it personal. That's why I asked how you came to know all this.
The alcohol D.C. thing I can believe. John Boehner has a bit of a relationship with wine to hear those on the Hill tell it. And they don't really have to say anything from what many have seen when he's on TV.
I am sorry. I took it the wrong way. My apologies!
I did some work on the internet, and also found some articles from "Pew Surveys". I also found several articles from Liberty University and a Book from Charles Stanley..."The Glorious Joourney".
Jesus was stern and also very fair...........perhaps tough LOVE? I'll take HIS tough love any day of the week
Right, no one who goes on willfully sinning is in Christ.
It's one thing for someone to struggle with the flesh, sexally devient feelings, like pedophilia or homosexuality, but it's another thing for them to pursue their feelings and be unrepentant by declaring that they're not sinning.
As to the topic, California's government is very busy changing the culture to equate sodomy with healthy morality (while ignoring the wishes of the voters). For someone to dismiss such things as removing husband and wife from marriage documents is no different from someone dismissing the steps that turned Sodom into such a wicked and immoral city. And, I tell you the truth, anyone who dismisses what California is doing is someone who really has put himself above God.
No, I wasn't ready for that.
I never took it personal. That's why I asked how you came to know all this.
The alcohol D.C. thing I can believe. John Boehner has a bit of a relationship with wine to hear those on the Hill tell it. And they don't really have to say anything from what many have seen when he's on TV.
One of the bits of information gathered said that the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia has more porno than anyone else in the world.
Wonderful friends...no?
Could that be one of the reasons for the sex slave trade business in Middle East????
Jesus was stern and also very fair...........perhaps tough LOVE? I'll take HIS tough love any day of the week
AMEN my brother!
Well said my brother! Well said!
True. And that is what is happening in states where gay activists, and their supporters, pursue the right to enter into the state sanctioned marriage covenant claiming equal right to do so.
And what's next? Laws forcing churches to perform gay marriage ceremonies? Under threat of losing their tax exempt religious status with the IRS for daring to invoke religious rights and protection afforded the faithful? And refusing to perform what is a ceremony that sanctions, validates, an abominable sin in the eyes of God?
It is also what is happening in those apostate former churches, wherein those gay union (marriage) ceremonies before the altar of our God are being performed.
As well as those denominational orders that vote to allow openly gay clergy into the church.
California is largely Democrat in population. That's why the Proposition 8 Yes vote years ago was so surprising. Gladly so, praise God.
I can't imagine Liberty Institute and other Christian law centers haven't found a way to fight this propagation of damnable sin allowed to enter into the marriage covenant on a state by state basis.
At least SCOTUS gave us that relief. Leaving it to the states to decide the issue.
I'd hope there is a counter to the claim of the 14th amendment and the equal rights laws as well. Sodomites are not equal in matters of the very meaning of the institution of marriage.
Massachusetts was the first state forced by judges to recognize same-sex "marriage". The state legislator passed "anti-discrimination" laws. And, shortly after that, a church was ordered by a judge to let same-sex couples "marry" on Church outside property, because the church let hetersexuals marry there. The church responded by not allowing anyone to marry on their outside property. I don't think there's any danger of preachers ever being forced to perform same-sex marriages, but there's certainly a danger of Christians being marginalized.
In the UK, Christians are prohibited form adopting children (unless someone has fought back and changed this). Christians aren't explicitly disallowed adoption, but anyone who doesn't approve of sodomy is disallowed, under the excuse that the child might be a homosexual.
We have already seen states baring the Boy Scouts from public property over the homosexual issue (including a case of a building the the Scouts donated to the city!). We'll see more of that, where anyone who doesn't approve of sodomy is discriminated against by the government.
What we will see, as the case in much of Europe, is professed Christians disappearing and churches closing, as Christianity is all explicitly outlawed. And, o just because Christians refuse to back down from recognizing sodomy as immoral.
The public, including all 50 states, is subjected to nothing but pro-homosexual propaganda in the media, so for that reason alone, it's remarkable that Prop 8 passed. But, there would have been no need for Prop 8 if the majority Democrat population hadn't elected a Democrat government. Anyway, Democrats are no where near as morally liberal as Democrat leaders. Many people vote Democrat for other reasons (unions, socialists, etc.).
"Equal protection" shouldn't apply to Sodomies for a number of reasons. If you want to be crass about equal protection, we should let children drive. We should let children drive drunk! That's equal protection of children and heavy drinkers!
The 14the Amendment itself guarantees the the right to vote only to males! (It didn't ban women from voting, either.) Obviously, those who wrote the 14th Amendment didn't even have in mind the modern concept of "equal protection" even between man and woman, let alone between morally straight people and sexual perverts. Never mind that every one has always had the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Just because you're not interested pursuing a right doesn't mean you're not equally protected!
Given the context of the 14th Amendment, "equal protection" doesn't mean government accommodation of diverse interests. Read the "equal protection" clause in the context, " No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Equal protection means the same due process. If you're a accused of something, you get a trial no matter who you are. If the government wants to take something from you, it has to go to court, no matter who you are.
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