Major posts:Here is something to think about. Of all the "Near Death" cases we hear of, why is it always that they come back from heaven????? Do you really believe that every near death experience involves heaven? Why not hell
This is the third dang time I tried to post this, so if this goes blank again, I reckon I better reconsider what to post
I dunno Major, a Gallop Poll taken in 2011 said that 9 out of 10 people believe in God, in America, so maybe more have a shot than you think. If you reread my post you will see that I say the majority of near death cases say they went up or to the good place (I hesitate to call it heaven) and that far fewer cases are reported that they went to the bad place (same hesitation). It is likely that far less people want to report how they died, went to hell, got scared damn straight (all puns intended) and were returned to life. The most interesting, to me are those that went to the bad place. I read a story more than 30 years ago (don't remember title or author - it could have been "to hell and back") It was written by a woman who committed suicide and according to her, succeeded. She went to a horrific place, full of woe and despair, landing right next to the dessicated soul of Judas Iscariot. In desparation, she began to pray and calling out to God. Slowly, she began to see more and more lights, which she realized were souls. The place around her evaporated and she was counselled and returned to life. A changed woman. No proof tho like Doctors, Hospitals. Another case, better known in the NDE arena was about an American man travellingg in Italy, who got sick and died in the Hopsital. He went to a place filled with terror, pain, woe and despair. He remembered a prayer he was taught when he was a child and began to pour this out to God. Again he was returned to life after hours (?) of being dead. He became a preacher. There are other cases tho just google it. I have read the arguments against NDE being real. But I don't buy it. When I was a child (7-9?). Her friend's daughter had leukemia (age12-13?) - Judy. Margaret, the Mom was totally. most of her life been into God. She wasn't a holy roller (so to speak) nor did she proslytize, but she knew the good book backwards and forwards and up to her eyeballs in Church activity. This was before her daughter was diagnosed. Her daughter went into the hospital (for tests?) and died unexpectedly. Her Mother's broken hearted anguish and grief could be heard on the whole floor. "Why God, why?" 45 minutes after she was declared, Judy return to life. And she told her Mother she had been to Heaven and what a wondrous place it was and that if only her mother knew what she was keeping her from, she would let go and they would be joined again in that place. A day later, she died again.
No book, no money. Her Mother did have a pamphlet printed about the experience but she gave it out to church members, friends, family.
As for ghosts, I leave that to another post. I'm embarressed to admit how many times I've tried to post this and then re-write it.
This is the third dang time I tried to post this, so if this goes blank again, I reckon I better reconsider what to post
I dunno Major, a Gallop Poll taken in 2011 said that 9 out of 10 people believe in God, in America, so maybe more have a shot than you think. If you reread my post you will see that I say the majority of near death cases say they went up or to the good place (I hesitate to call it heaven) and that far fewer cases are reported that they went to the bad place (same hesitation). It is likely that far less people want to report how they died, went to hell, got scared damn straight (all puns intended) and were returned to life. The most interesting, to me are those that went to the bad place. I read a story more than 30 years ago (don't remember title or author - it could have been "to hell and back") It was written by a woman who committed suicide and according to her, succeeded. She went to a horrific place, full of woe and despair, landing right next to the dessicated soul of Judas Iscariot. In desparation, she began to pray and calling out to God. Slowly, she began to see more and more lights, which she realized were souls. The place around her evaporated and she was counselled and returned to life. A changed woman. No proof tho like Doctors, Hospitals. Another case, better known in the NDE arena was about an American man travellingg in Italy, who got sick and died in the Hopsital. He went to a place filled with terror, pain, woe and despair. He remembered a prayer he was taught when he was a child and began to pour this out to God. Again he was returned to life after hours (?) of being dead. He became a preacher. There are other cases tho just google it. I have read the arguments against NDE being real. But I don't buy it. When I was a child (7-9?). Her friend's daughter had leukemia (age12-13?) - Judy. Margaret, the Mom was totally. most of her life been into God. She wasn't a holy roller (so to speak) nor did she proslytize, but she knew the good book backwards and forwards and up to her eyeballs in Church activity. This was before her daughter was diagnosed. Her daughter went into the hospital (for tests?) and died unexpectedly. Her Mother's broken hearted anguish and grief could be heard on the whole floor. "Why God, why?" 45 minutes after she was declared, Judy return to life. And she told her Mother she had been to Heaven and what a wondrous place it was and that if only her mother knew what she was keeping her from, she would let go and they would be joined again in that place. A day later, she died again.
No book, no money. Her Mother did have a pamphlet printed about the experience but she gave it out to church members, friends, family.
As for ghosts, I leave that to another post. I'm embarressed to admit how many times I've tried to post this and then re-write it.
). It is, whatever your opinion, still scripture - and it translates to Samuel, who annointed Saul, that Saul knew very well (Samuel) and so would know if the right soul showed. My impression has always been that Saul never heard directly from God. He heard it from the prophet. Why would it be in the Bible, otherwise? Calvin asked what evidence there was in scripture - both Glomung and I have given examples. I agree with Glomung that we have overwhelming evidence of Ghosts existence. Shrug - dunno what else to say. I personally never saw one. Someone close to me, for a time could see them, as clear as day and I remember being a teensy bit jealous, that I could not. God gave me a dream that night that I could see ghosts. At the beginning, I thought "How cool is this." And immediately tried to get each ghosts history - in turn, it led into such a nightmare and I was shown that those ghosts not "crossed over" were by and large, not good people and they clung to me, like as they would smother me. I do believe God has called some to help these souls but in large part - it is a very dangerous arena. The person who "saw" ghosts was tried with demonic attacks and it was scary. My point in bringing these things up at all - is that with all this there appears to be places people go after death and they are not as set in cement as some would believe