I mentioned a book, Proof of Heaven (by Dr.Eban Alexander) which I have to recommend to you, whether you believe in near death experiences or not. It is one of the most powerful NDEs I've ever read and I have read 100's, if not thousands of them. The spiritual message in the book is spell-binding. And it might just convince you. And his descriptions of the higher spiritual realms - to say they are really excellent, would be to minimize it.
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Is it anymore convincing than sworn testimonials of UFO kidnappings?
Dang, Rusty - why don't the scriptures lead to the online bible. Gotta agree, tho, sounds like sloppy or wishful translation. And Rhino's don't have the same appeal, although they do have a horn in the front. 
.But the whole thing, which is a complete aside from my initial point, was in answer to Calvin's that there is no scripture about ghosts - and lo and behold, there is.
.But the whole thing, which is a complete aside from my initial point, was in answer to Calvin's that there is no scripture about ghosts - and lo and behold, there is.It is meant to all who read here - but actually I would love your opinion on it (for real). AS to your last question, to me it is far more convincing. But I'd like your take. BTW, I have seen a UFO (unlike a ghost). I was visiting England at the time, in 1997, and it was broad daylight and there were three of us in the car. Like any good tourist, I had a camera with me but by the time I had gotten over the shock of what I was seeing, and made a grab for it - the UFO (metal sphere) was gone. I know of two other people who saw UFOs, both cases, with other witnesses. You won't read any of these accounts anywhere but here because we weren't planning to be thought of as nuts.
Silk....This is what Calvin said....
This is my understanding too...It is an example of the mistaken ideas of the Jews 2000 years ago like the myths of 16th Century KJV translators for "unicorns": not the same mistranslations, but the same type of cultural assumptions.
Well, I saw Calvin's question differently as I do the scriptures mentioned. (sighs). I have looked into the phenomena, seeking truth - as I always do. And I think there is verified evidence of "ghosts" not just the demonic which includes fallen angels. I know a few people who have claimed to have seen ghosts and I have no reason not to believe them.
I didn't mean to say that "ghosts" couldn't be demonic - because according to the lit, it sometimes is. The haunting of a place can be demonic or even what is considered "negative" entities. It's considered a very dangerous type of haunting and the paranormal researchers estimate it is the rarer of hauntings. My original post on this thread had to do with what NDE's and ghosts tell us about what can happen after body death and there are at least 3 realms involved.
Aw, Rusty - the people here have great impact on me,in many ways and places. I have read alot about alot of things - that's not pride talking - it just is. It has been a part of my spiritual journey. I've read alot of what I might describe as crappola, too. And "Proof of Heaven" ,IMO, is a remarkable book and I would like your take on it.
The KJ Bible people were Masons. The KJV is also known as the Masonic Bible.
At the very end of the book - a web site is given that I want to make sure people here don't think I am recommending . The book is still well worth reading but the web site with annual membership fees of $49 to $1,200 left me cold. Perhaps they hope to reduce their number of crazies. I dunno. But it makes me appreciate the way this site is run like never before. unlike other sites, they don't abide "attacks" , they keep and restore a good environment to post, and it's all free. Applause. And this is true about alot of Forums (the bad stuff), Christian or not, on the web.
Proof?
No...The Masons use a KJV Bible, with their Masonic references noted, pages to fill in in the front for births and deaths and degrees, and some fancy pictures...No change in the KJV text at all. (One hardly expects them to use an NIV or Phillips!)
(Disclaimer: I am not a Mason and not pro-Mason, just not intentionally prone to inject misinformation about anybody.)
(Disclaimer: I am not a Mason and not pro-Mason, just not intentionally prone to inject misinformation about anybody.)
Silk, did you check out the accuracy of the prophesy that was allegedly delivered by the late Samuel?
Did not the spirit say that tomorrow, Saul and his sons would be shishkabab?
It seems that the philistines who were camped at shunem at that time would have needed to be airlifted to mount gilboa to be there by the next day. Any prophesy from the Lord would be accurate. This one delivered through the ministry of the witch seems to be close, but not accurate. The spirit did say that Saul would be with him next day, but the question is, Would Saul's spirit go to the same place as Samuel's spirit?
I do not see that the witch of En-dor summoned the spirit of the prophet Samual, rather she called up an unclean spirit who impersonated Samuel.