Sorry. I just don't think that adequately addresses what went on in that garden before His arrest. All that is ,is reinforcement of a belief paradigm that people feel they need to adhere to.
Is fear a sin?
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In regards to doubt. Was Thomas sinning to say that he would have to put his hand into our Lord's side to believe that He had risen?
Our Lord honored Thomas's doubt's by inviting him to do just that kind of examination. I was taught that Thomas was a proxy for all who should need exacting physical proof.
It seems to me that Thomas and his doubt's were part of out Lord's plan.
Our Lord honored Thomas's doubt's by inviting him to do just that kind of examination. I was taught that Thomas was a proxy for all who should need exacting physical proof.
It seems to me that Thomas and his doubt's were part of out Lord's plan.
Christ never said Thomas sinned, He only corrected him. Same with Peter. It took Peter several tries to give his life for Christ.
There are many truths that are boiled down to simple direct statements in scripture. I have a friend that calls them wisdom mc-nuggets. Easily consumed pieces of wisdom. (Easy may be an underestimation of learning these truths). The problem is that they are quoted as if they were the only verse in the Bible. Mistaking such context-free insights for the understanding of the teaching of scripture is hazardous.
In the case of sin, it is always the heart and our sinful nature that is the issue. The actions are the outward symptom.
Refraining from the expression of sin is only edifying if we replace it with edifying thoughts.
As an example: Taking a man out of a nightclub will not make him a better husband if he just finds another expression of his nature. Until he commits to his wife & marriage, he will be lacking. It may be difficult for him to commit while he is clubbing around town, but unless he changes his heart, nothing has really changed.
In the case of sin, it is always the heart and our sinful nature that is the issue. The actions are the outward symptom.
Refraining from the expression of sin is only edifying if we replace it with edifying thoughts.
As an example: Taking a man out of a nightclub will not make him a better husband if he just finds another expression of his nature. Until he commits to his wife & marriage, he will be lacking. It may be difficult for him to commit while he is clubbing around town, but unless he changes his heart, nothing has really changed.
AARRRRGGGHHH
another post bit the dust
The tapestry of the Word has many jewels woven in it, but when we pull a jewel out and focus only on it we miss the magnificent picture our Lord and His Kingdom make as a whole
another post bit the dust
The tapestry of the Word has many jewels woven in it, but when we pull a jewel out and focus only on it we miss the magnificent picture our Lord and His Kingdom make as a whole
And I said it so much better the first time...... waaaaahhhI know that aaarrrggghhhh
Brother can we hang with you ?My post is in regards to the doubt part. I don't have an opinion on the fear part right now, because I just got my in n out burger.
Look lets try this one more time.
Sin is anything opposed to the word of God. God hates sin for sin can destroy man.
Faith pleases God and faith is the channel to God. Doubt, fear, unbelief, unforgiveness and so forth work opposed to faith. These limit faith and render faith almost useless.
No one has said FEAR is sin. No one argues that we all do not get hit with emotions in the natural and fear is one. No one said that was sin. Please stop trying to justify fear and think for a minute. Common sense tells you the fear in question is not fear of the Lord and by the way this fear is not being afraid and scared of God.
Fear is an emotion and a thought. We are to take captive every thought. This means taking fear captive as well. We are not to operate in fear. Just as much as God is Love satan is fear.
This thread came about after talking about fear and doubt in another thread. I believe the fear in question is any fear which works against faith.
Jesus says fear not only believe...............so take authority over fear and cast it out and believe in His word. When we know something is opposed to His written word then it can be seen as sin. When fear is opposed to His written word or our Faith then YES is would be sin for us.
Keep the fear in its propper context and you wont have to try and defend having fear in your life or look for situations in His word that could say hey he might have feared.
Blessings
Jim
Well, Jesus knew full well what He was going to have to suffer. He went to that cross without defense and with the kind of courage that no man could ever have. Fear? God? Not in your life. Not my Jesus.
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I think maybe we agree fear can cause you to sin, but fear in itself is not sin. That is simple. I need no spiritual complicated formula.
That makes for a great emotionally based reply, but it still is not the intelligent rebuttal of CS Lewis' account of what Jesus experienced in the garden before His arrest.
This may be but cs lewis did not write the written word of God either.
Ok so the doctor says you got cancer. You pray and believe God for your healing. You go back and the doctor says oh no you did not get healed for it is worse and you will die in 3 weeks.
Ok here comes fear..........is this fear sin ?
Dan,
There may not have been an intelligent rebuttal to CS Lewis's view specifically but if you go over the many posts already written about how fear is not of God then you will see that together they form an intelligent rebuttal to the claim that Jesus experienced fear in the garden of Gethsemane.
There may not have been an intelligent rebuttal to CS Lewis's view specifically but if you go over the many posts already written about how fear is not of God then you will see that together they form an intelligent rebuttal to the claim that Jesus experienced fear in the garden of Gethsemane.
No but he was a very, very intelligent christian and once one reads what he wrote about Jesus in the garden ,then it's very hard to go back to anything else. What CS Lewis wrote just rings true.
Look at all the other stuff he wrote and he was a man. I will take the word over his word every single day/
When someone takes a belief paradigm so far that they say Job sinned from fear when God Himself said he did not, then I see someone with the audacity to say God was wrong. This is pride. Placing a belief paradigm over God's own Word is challenging God just the same as Satan did regarding Job. Thats where I walked away from this. If one is willing to wield that sword against Job and , in effect , pile on Job in the face of God.....Man ...what's to stop one from wielding that against anyone here or anyone else?