Is The Bible Questionable?

How to make religious doctrine:
1. Read the Bible.
2. Develop an opinion about a religious subject.
3. Collect all the texts in the Bible that support your opinion. Catalogue these as your "Proof Texts".
4. Collect all the texts in the Bible the refute your opinion. Catalogue these as your "Problem Texts".
5. Create viable explanations/rationalizations "proving" that the "problem Texts":
5a. Don't really mean what they say
5b. Were for "them" specifically, and were never intended for "us" in 2021
5c. Were later inclusions to the Biblical text, and therefore aren't authoritative
5d. Are no longer required in the church (generally related to the definition of "that Perfect")
5e. Are symbolic in nature, and therefore not something to understood as "Literal".
5f. etc.
6. When you have accomplished the first 5 steps, publish a Theological book, presenting your Opinion, using your "Proof Texts" to Support / "Prove" your opinion. INCLUDING sections presenting your "Viable explanations" for any and all "Problem Texts", that will be raised as "Criticisms" of your opinion by folks with a DIFFERENT OPINION.
7. if your presentation is convincing enough, then start a denomination incorporating your opinion(s).

SImple as that.

Oh - and if your opinion changes, then just swap the Catalogues, and teach the opposite -
I would only say that A Christian doctrine is what the entire Bible has to say on one particular subject.

I think it is key to understand that the word “doctrine” is used interchangeably with the word “theology.” While this is not necessarily wrong, there is a difference between the two terms. Theology, or Christian theology, is the more general term. It refers to the study of the God of the Bible. Doctrine refers to the specific teachings about God that are found in a study of theology such as the “doctrine” of salvation or the “doctrine” of the afterlife.

Christian doctrine consists of the teachings of Jesus Christ, as found in the four gospels, as well as the teachings about Jesus Christ, which are found in the remainder of the New Testament and those teachings can not come from the hearts of men.

Now everything revolves around this precept........When we get our doctrine right, then all other things will fall into place. On the other hand, if we get our doctrine wrong, then our lives will be affected in a negative way. Therefore, I cannot overemphasize the importance of right belief because this should lead to right living.
 
here is something to think on.. who has the correct doctrine ? which branch of Baptist/ Pentecostals etc..... even though there are some on both of the main 2 i mentioned. parts in all i disagree with. i have seen people get up and walk out over doctrine issues . i had a deacon of another churcch. tell me they had a disagreement on women teaching. a man got up and walked out.
 
here is something to think on.. who has the correct doctrine ? which branch of Baptist/ Pentecostals etc..... even though there are some on both of the main 2 i mentioned. parts in all i disagree with. i have seen people get up and walk out over doctrine issues . i had a deacon of another churcch. tell me they had a disagreement on women teaching. a man got up and walked out.
Who has the correct doctrine?

Those who call themselves Christians!

Christian doctrine is the way the central themes of God’s revelation in Scripture are summarized and taught. This teaching builds on their development through the Old Testament. It sees them as having culminated in Christ’s incarnation, words, and work. His teaching (Matt. 7:28; Mark. 1:22; John 7:16) was then expanded and applied by the apostles.

Paul placed his own teaching side-by-side with the “preaching of Jesus Christ” (Rom. 16:25; cf. 1 Thess. 4:2). All of this was committed to writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. These inspired writings are now preserved within the biblical canon. This revealed Word defines for us how we should think about God, ourselves, our world, the church, and the future.
 
Who has the correct doctrine?

Those who call themselves Christians!

Christian doctrine is the way the central themes of God’s revelation in Scripture are summarized and taught. This teaching builds on their development through the Old Testament. It sees them as having culminated in Christ’s incarnation, words, and work. His teaching (Matt. 7:28; Mark. 1:22; John 7:16) was then expanded and applied by the apostles.

Paul placed his own teaching side-by-side with the “preaching of Jesus Christ” (Rom. 16:25; cf. 1 Thess. 4:2). All of this was committed to writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. These inspired writings are now preserved within the biblical canon. This revealed Word defines for us how we should think about God, ourselves, our world, the church, and the future.
and i can go along with in fact pretty much how i see it. but however there remains division among denoms . lets face it ASOG very seldom is invited to a baptist pulpit can not we ministers respect each others belief and just preach the word?

there was a time in my home town before i can remember .that area churches once a month took turns meeting in each others Church.. i was told by my cousin it stopped because a preacher didnt like it .. no i dont know what denom he was affiliated with .
a man i use to work with was a independent Baptist, he made the remark his pastor at that time. would not preach at a church other than the theology he was. it was said due to the disagreement of the osas .

i was told by him he felt southern baptist was to liberal . while i have listened to many southern baptist ministers, i dont find them liberal
having said all that why is there division ?
Paul placed his own teaching side-by-side with the “preaching of Jesus Christ”

yes he did but not every pulpit preaches it this way so my question again is who is right who is wrong and yes Christian doctrine is %100.
 
and i can go along with in fact pretty much how i see it. but however there remains division among denoms . lets face it ASOG very seldom is invited to a baptist pulpit can not we ministers respect each others belief and just preach the word?

there was a time in my home town before i can remember .that area churches once a month took turns meeting in each others Church.. i was told by my cousin it stopped because a preacher didnt like it .. no i dont know what denom he was affiliated with .
a man i use to work with was a independent Baptist, he made the remark his pastor at that time. would not preach at a church other than the theology he was. it was said due to the disagreement of the osas .

i was told by him he felt southern baptist was to liberal . while i have listened to many southern baptist ministers, i dont find them liberal
having said all that why is there division ?


yes he did but not every pulpit preaches it this way so my question again is who is right who is wrong and yes Christian doctrine is %100.
there is no ? go ahead and delete the post
 
here is something to think on.. who has the correct doctrine ? which branch of Baptist/ Pentecostals etc..... even though there are some on both of the main 2 i mentioned. parts in all i disagree with. i have seen people get up and walk out over doctrine issues . i had a deacon of another churcch. tell me they had a disagreement on women teaching. a man got up and walked out.

The Lord addressed this...although perhaps in an indirect manner...

Romans 3:1-4
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit [is there] of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
 
I'm not about to delete the post. It just seemed unclear especially the ending...

"so my question again is who is right who is wrong and yes Christian doctrine is %100."

If Christian doctrine is 100%, why ask 'who is right and who is wrong?'
why ask why Because we have division in the Body through denominations.. i will make it plain the baptist think the pentecost are nuts and Pentecost think the Baptist are dead both are probably right .. when was last time you seen say a genral baptist in a independent fundamental Baptist pulpit ? hardly ever if ever we simply fail to fellowship because of A THERE HOLD TO OSAS. b Osnas or C baptism of the spirit the evidence of speaking in tongues. i hammer this hot and heavy we are the Body of Christ .but yet we stick to our own
 
The Lord addressed this...although perhaps in an indirect manner...

Romans 3:1-4
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit [is there] of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
addressed yes practiced not to sure
 

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why ask why Because we have division in the Body through denominations.. i will make it plain the baptist think the pentecost are nuts and Pentecost think the Baptist are dead both are probably right .. when was last time you seen say a genral baptist in a independent fundamental Baptist pulpit ? hardly ever if ever we simply fail to fellowship because of A THERE HOLD TO OSAS. b Osnas or C baptism of the spirit the evidence of speaking in tongues. i hammer this hot and heavy we are the Body of Christ .but yet we stick to our own
Thanks for your opinion. I have been in both camps and actually have deep respect for those who have convictions and stick to them.
 
Thanks for your opinion. I have been in both camps and actually have deep respect for those who have convictions and stick to them.
why does post like this go south. ? yes like you i been in both camps what i said about both sides is true in how many think .but never the less i will let this post fade off into the sun set.. the dialogue of division must be a hand s off
 
why ask why Because we have division in the Body through denominations.. i will make it plain the baptist think the pentecost are nuts and Pentecost think the Baptist are dead both are probably right .. when was last time you seen say a genral baptist in a independent fundamental Baptist pulpit ? hardly ever if ever we simply fail to fellowship because of A THERE HOLD TO OSAS. b Osnas or C baptism of the spirit the evidence of speaking in tongues. i hammer this hot and heavy we are the Body of Christ .but yet we stick to our own

I am trying to grasp what you are trying to say but, I am having a problem with your English.

I do not know if you understand this because you seem to be espousing "Ecumenicalism". While I personally have many friends in other denominations, there is a danger in the ecumenical idea.

A Christian is supposed to have some final authority by which he makes decisions and settles issues. If it is not the Bible, then what would it be?

The ecumenical Scholarship Only bunch offer a pile of lost scattered pieces of paper written in a dead language that no one could not understand unless they attended a school that would teach them what 'they' believe those papers to say, of course, it is just their opinion based on their own personal studies, mind you.

The goal of the Ecumenical bunch is to destroy the belief in Absolute Authority coming from God and putting in its place, the relative authority of man, composed of the preferences and opinions of men who consider themselves fully equipped to be your guide instead of the Holy Bible.
 
I am trying to grasp what you are trying to say but, I am having a problem with your English.

I do not know if you understand this because you seem to be espousing "Ecumenicalism". While I personally have many friends in other denominations, there is a danger in the ecumenical idea.

A Christian is supposed to have some final authority by which he makes decisions and settles issues. If it is not the Bible, then what would it be?

The ecumenical Scholarship Only bunch offer a pile of lost scattered pieces of paper written in a dead language that no one could not understand unless they attended a school that would teach them what 'they' believe those papers to say, of course, it is just their opinion based on their own personal studies, mind you.

The goal of the Ecumenical bunch is to destroy the belief in Absolute Authority coming from God and putting in its place, the relative authority of man, composed of the preferences and opinions of men who consider themselves fully equipped to be your guide instead of the Holy Bible.
i dont do big fancy words as per my english .i have stated many times it lacks... i was called to preach not write. around here we call it division . lets put it this way it would be a seldom cause for a southern or a missionary baptist preach in a ASOG or vise versa i really dont care what you name tag is just as long as one preaches Jesus and him crucified risen again on the 3 rd day .leave the rest of the stuff alone.
 

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just as long as one preaches Jesus and him crucified risen again on the 3 rd day .leave the rest of the stuff alone.
what if one preached that but also stated that 'good works were required to be saved' or denied the virgin birth of Jesus?
This is why there are denominations, one says one thing another another denies it. etc.
 
what if one preached that but also stated that 'good works were required to be saved' or denied the virgin birth of Jesus?
This is why there are denominations, one says one thing another another denies it. etc.
my reply he is a heretic and a false teacher. let me put it this way. my buddy who is independent Baptist stated his pastor would not preach out side his denom due to the osas that he holds to.. if a man is truly called to preach he should be able to do so. leave his personal doctrine/theology out.
i attended a revival service at a general baptist church where the evangelist was a A.S.O.G pastor in texas. not one time did he use the phrase baptism of the Holy Spirit evidence speaking in tongues . also at no time was tongues ever mentioned or used.
other than he mentioning his Church you would have never known he was ASOG minister...

that is the mark of true called of God preacher. .. personally i dont acre what flavor you are were bro sisters in Christ.

i am even friends with a pentc woman' preacher one of the churches i pastored i had her do a mothers day service. she only used few scriptures and did not preach. of course i have known her all my life .
if no body can see my point something is wrong. i fully understand denominations. Christ prayed for us in john 17 to be one in him .not one universal church
yes there will always be die hard that just has to push their doctrine.. but i question there calling of God
 

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Hello brothers and sisters;

We all have our strengths and weaknesses in terms of abilities but as Disciples we must as Major shared "have some final authority by which he or she makes decisions and settles issues."

I'd like to add that as Disciples we must also arrive at a final point of discussion between Bible interpretation, denominational doctrine and personal opinion.

In Bible interpretation, I believe that reading others writing and speaking with another must include listening. Should I disagree with Musicmaster I'm going to research the Scripture and continue the discussion until we arrive at a final point. This is beneficial, an opportunity to grow, learn and strengthen fellowship.

In a discussion of denominational doctrine and personal opinion, listening and researching Scripture is wise, but a Disciple's attitude is to receive instead of reacting. Discussing denominational doctrine and personal opinion will not change one's view in a post or discussion in time or ever, but are the two opposing views by two brothers or sisters going to result in the body of fellowship?

I've heard the expression, we can agree to disagree. But the truth is, are we really agreeing to disagree, or are we just dismissing the discussion without arriving at a final point that will bring glory to God, or instead separate two of God's servants?

God bless
you all and may God continue to enlighten us all in the teaching of His Word.
 

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let me put it this way. my buddy who is independent Baptist stated his pastor would not preach out side his denom due to the osas that he holds to.. if a man is truly called to preach he should be able to do so. leave his personal doctrine/theology out.
I guess we differ on this point. If a pastor left out his personal convictions (compromised) he would not be a pastor I would not care for.
 
I guess we differ on this point. If a pastor left out his personal convictions (compromised) he would not be a pastor I would not care for.
so if a asog preacher went to a Baptist church it would be ok to preach on speaking in tongues ? or if a southern Baptist went to a general Baptist church he should preach on eternal security ? convictions is one thing . what would it accomplish if the preached any of the 2. when it was not that churches belief . for some reason its just not registering what i am saying . when a person is asked to preach in another man pulpit he is pastor of. the guest speaker is not preaching as the pastor . if this dont clarify i am done.
 

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so if a asog preacher went to a Baptist church it would be ok to preach on speaking in tongues ?
Why would he want to go if he couldn't preach what he is convicted is the truth?
or if a southern Baptist went to a general Baptist church he should preach on eternal security ?
ditto
what would it accomplish if the preached any of the 2. when it was not that churches belief .
Again, why would he want to go preach there in the first place?
when a person is asked to preach in another man pulpit he is pastor of. the guest speaker is not preaching as the pastor . if this dont clarify i am done.
Yes, if a pastor yields his pulpit to another, there should be a pre-agreement as to the boundaries...otherwise.
 
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