I never accused you of such. You said if Jesus was created then he is a different God. But since he was issued he is the same God. Im saying that he was created. Therefore he is a separate god. My point is If Gods PERSONAL name was in the bible(Not LORD) then theyre wouldn't be so many people who confuse God and Jesus as the same beings.Quote:
I never said there was 3 God's
you will find God's name written here ..
Exd 15:2
Exd 17:16
Psa 68:4
Psa 68:18
Psa 77:11
Psa 89:8
Psa 94:7
Psa 94:12
Psa 102:18
Psa 104:35
Psa 105:45
Psa 106:1
Psa 106:48
Psa 111:1
Psa 112:1
Psa 113:1
Psa 113:9
Psa 115:17
Psa 115:18
Psa 116:19
Psa 117:2
Psa 118:5
Psa 118:14
Psa 118:17
Psa 118:18
Psa 118:19
Psa 122:4
Psa 130:3
Psa 135:1
Psa 135:3
Psa 135:4
Psa 135:21
Psa 146:1
Psa 146:10
Psa 147:1
Psa 147:20
Psa 148:1
Psa 148:14
Psa 149:1
Psa 149:9
Psa 150:1
Psa 150:6
Sgs 8:6
Isa 12:2
Isa 26:4
Isa 38:11
Exept Jesus and God ARE two seperate beings. Its times like this I wished God's name was never replaced with LORD.
well if Jesus was CREATED , then He is a separate God ..
but Jesus was issued from God, making Him still the same 1 God ..
.. made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.
aphomoioō
- to cause a model to pass off into an image or shape like it
- to express itself in it, to copy
- to produce a facsimile
- to be made like, render similar
My point is If Gods PERSONAL name was in the bible(Not LORD) then theyre wouldn't be so many people who confuse God and Jesus as the same beings.
It doesnt contradict any of those words. God created Jesus to be similar to himself. Just like the angels are referred to as god-like ones. But they are definatly not God.synonyms for establish:foundation, institution, formation, inception, creation, installation
anyone of those words can be rendered in translating ktisis ..
but the reason you CANNOT use "creation" .. is because that choice for translation contradicts prototokos & aphomoioo ..
Im not talking about the hebrew. Im talking about when translated to other languages. Specifically english.it is .. I expanded the list for you ..
do you have access to the Hebrew of verses ???
Im not talking about the hebrew. Im talking about when translated to other languages. Specifically english.
It doesnt contradict any of those words. God created Jesus to be similar to himself. Just like the angels are referred to as god-like ones. But they are definatly not God.
but Paul did not say protoktisis ..
prototokos first issued is not first created ..
Your acting as if they dont have similar meanings. Just like I said. Christ was the first issued magazine. All other creations are the later issues. You cant focus on the words all the time. Context is just as important.but Paul did not say protoktisis ..
prototokos first issued is not first created ..
Well this act of "respect" blinds people to what God's name is and leads them to think it is Jesus. Then when they realise God has an actual name they try to rationalize him and Jesus as the same because they dont wanna worship a God they never knew of. This is my opinion.I agree .. but I think it is more Hebrew tradition orientated .. as an act of respect ..
Your acting as if they dont have similar meanings. Just like I said. Christ was the first issued magazine. All other creations are the later issues. You cant focus on the words all the time. Context is just as important.
When the bible says only true God, It's signifiying that their is only one God we should devote ourselves to. There is clearly other gods because the bible mentions them such a Satan Baal ect.Jhn 5:44 “How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?
above John says there is one God ..
if Jesus was a separate God, then in fact have more then one God ..
below John says the "only begotten God" (meaning Jesus)
Jhn 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him
monogenēs = only son (root/heir)
theos = God
(begat) and tokos (issued) .. both are signifying a spirit procreation NOT a creation ..
what do you do with these verses ???
the Apostles understood there was ONLY ONE GOD ..
Jud 1:25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.
1Ti 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
Jhn 5:44 “How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?
See how it says through Jesus Christ right. Remember Jesus came on Earth to do his Fathers will. This is similar to when Jehovah told Moses he would be like God and Aaron would be his prophet. God used Jesus to fulfill his will. God is the direct Savior because it was he who wanted it to be done. Jesus was necceasry for fulfilling the will of God. Just like if you order a pizza. The delivery driver is the mediator between you and Pizza Hut. Pizza Hut sends the order of delivery. The driver fulfills the order of delivery.what do you do with this verse ???
Jud 1:25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and fnforever. Amen.