Mark 16:9-20

[Fish Catcher Jim]

That is an outstanding opinion Jim but is it from the Bible. Is that what the Bible teaches us?
Doesn't the Bible actually teach us that if we are strong in faith we don't need signs and wonders to know that the Father cares for us??? Why would we need to be further convinced of God by the exhibiting of power. We don't need signs and wonders to prove that He exists or that He hears our prayers.

What does the Bible say?? In fact you have quoted this Scripture several times, do you only believe it when it is necessary to do so?

Romans 10:17...........
"Faith comes by hearing the word and hearing from the Word of God".

Isn't it all about Christ that we believe what we read. Without seeing any evidence of supernatural manifestations, we can believe because God has granted us grace to believe based upon the testimony of His Word. Faith is to work from his word. I have read your comments and you have said exactly the same thing.

Absolutely the Lord requires faith, however we are more blessed who believe without seeing. Again, isn't that what the Bible teaches us?????

John 20:29.
"Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Without a doubt faith is the foundation upon which rests every thing we receive in our spiritual life. Without faith it is impossible to please God.

Hebrews 11:6...........
"But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."

But its not presumption nor is it imaginative. If we look at the people who have had supernatural experiences, we'll find that, in many cases, when the signs and wonders cease, their faith ceases. It was not true faith, but rather mere belief in what they could deny seeing. They believed because they saw, but they did not have true faith, it was temporary. The 3 cities Christ did miracles in the people hated him. So he pronounced a judgment on them.

Also, no people on the face of the earth saw more miracles and signs and wonders than did the Children of Israel who came out of Egypt. They SAW and experienced the power of God and yet in the end............how many of them were allowed into the promised land Jim????????

TWO! ........... They did not have the faith to believe God!!!!

Bless you my brother and be well!

Major I do believe I must have not worded things real well if you draw this from what I said.
I am saying that signs and wonders are what you see when God works through us.
We as beleivers need not to follow after signs and wonders.
We as believers should have signs and wonders following us.

Another words - our deeds or action should show Gods Love and working power in us.
Show for who ? Those out side of the family or those who are not born again and to those weaker Christians who have yet to build up their faith in God..

Now then about the two that went in and the millions that died in the wilderness.
Two believed what God said - Two did not accept what they saw or heard from others
Millions went with what they saw in the natural - millions complained and walked in the natural.

It is the same today - Christians speaking what ever they see or feel over speaking what the written word of God says. Faith ? Trust ? or plain old doubt and unbelief ? It all stems from a heart that has not been built up in His written word. Their thinking has not changed and is not thinking as God thinks but still thinking as natural man thinks. (worldly)
They key here is to make sure Ones mouth and actions line up with His word and what Ones Faith is tanding for................

Compare the things Joshua and Caleb (sp) Spoke to the things the millions who died in the wilderness spoke............ Now tell me words have no power or place in a believer......

I hope Major that this reply makes it easier for you to see what I am saying and what I am Not saying. Again I apologize if I did not word things any better then I did in my first reply.
God Bless My Friend and Brother
Jim

 

[Major]

You are right, but putting yourself in his position using what we do know in scriptures can give us insight into what was going on. This is of course just my opinion, but I believe I have the Spirit of God.

And you can not have anything better than that.

 

[Major]

An evil generation seeks for a "sign" so they would believe. A righteous generation has faith first before seeing, and experiencing God's provision through his promises.

Who then is righteous?

Righteousness is innocence when tested. WHO would meet that requirement?

The Bible says that..........."None are righteous, no not one".

 

[Major]

I really believe this man put two, and two together and came to the conclusion, "Hey, I think I am in the right spot, at the right time here. The religious leaders are seeing if Jesus would heal on the Sabbath, and I am here and I need healing. Oh happy day for me, as I am going to do what ever he asks of me"

If he put two and two together wouldn't he get to FOUR????

Now he may very well have done that but there again is that same old problem......It really does not say that. You want it to but it just is not there.

 

[CCW95A]

Who then is righteous?

Righteousness is innocence when tested. WHO would meet that requirement?

The Bible says that..........."None are righteous, no not one".

Christ was made to be our righteousness. Don't look at me, it was not my idea, but I am sure glad he did!!

2Co 5:21.. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

Who then is righteous?

Righteousness is innocence when tested. WHO would meet that requirement?

The Bible says that..........."None are righteous, no not one".

Major Hi,
2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Roomans 3:22........Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

All through His written word we find that we as born again spirit filled believers are now made rightious or right standing in Gods sight. Can't argue with that.
God Bless
Jim

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

Not true....although those who are filled with (baptized in) the Holy Spirit could encounter opportunities throughout life where any and all of the gifts would be employed. We cannot dictate our circumstances.

The spiritual gifts are a package deal---for the entire Body of Christ.

Euphemia what do you mean by this...........
(Wecannot dictate our circumstances.)

 

[Mykuhl]

Who then is righteous?

Righteousness is innocence when tested. WHO would meet that requirement?

The Bible says that..........."None are righteous, no not one".

The bible also describes who God considers righteous. To put it simply, it is those that believe/have faith in God. It is described in Romans chapter 3(where the verse you quoted is used), and chapter 4. This is righteousness ascribed to us through faith is Jesus Christ. Romans 3: 21-26,28 and 4:3,5-7,13,16,21-22, and the rest of chapter 4 to see the larger context.

 

[Euphemia]

Euphemia what do you mean by this...........
(Wecannot dictate our circumstances.)

In response to Major who said:

They were given as a "package" deal and not a pick and choose what you like and what you want to do.

As we cannot pick and choose what ability or anointing God blesses us with, neither can we pick and choose what circumstances we will find ourselves in and how God will enable or anoint us with His power to address a given situation for His glory.

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

In response to Major who said:



As we cannot pick and choose what ability or anointing God blesses us with, neither can we pick and choose what circumstances we will find ourselves in and how God will enable or anoint us with His power to address a given situation for His glory.

Ok but it still does not answer me. What do You Mean when you say
(We can not dictate our circumstances)
What does we can not dictate our circumstances mean ?
Blessings

 

[Euphemia]

Ok but it still does not answer me. What do You Mean when you say
(We can not dictate our circumstances)
What does we can not dictate our circumstances mean ?
Blessings

You cannot tell what your life's circumstances will be, and custom order the spiritual gift required beforehand that will be necessary for you to do the works of Christ. In other words, you have no idea whether you will encounter a sudden death tomorrow whereby you will be required to lay hands on the person and raise him up to life, nor do you know whether next week you will have an opportunity for God to use you to bring healing into someone's life, or whether someone will enter your life next month who has a very traumatic history that plagues him and binds him up spiritually and emotionally, that you will have the gift of knowledge in order to pinpoint his hindrance and use the power of God and His word to free him.

Rather, you choose to walk daily in the Spirit, knowing full well that God will take you where He wants to take you and will enable you as He requires.

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

You cannot tell what your life's circumstances will be, and custom order the spiritual gift required beforehand that will be necessary for you to do the works of Christ. In other words, you have no idea whether you will encounter a sudden death tomorrow whereby you will be required to lay hands on the person and raise him up to life, nor do you know whether next week you will have an opportunity for God to use you to bring healing into someone's life, or whether someone will enter your life next month who has a very traumatic history that plagues him and binds him up spiritually and emotionally, that you will have the gift of knowledge in order to pinpoint his hindrance and use the power of God and His word to free him.

Rather, you choose to walk daily in the Spirit, knowing full well that God will take you where He wants to take you and will enable you as He requires.

I keep asking you for this reason.............
Because most of the circumstances we face are brought on by choices we have made.
Ever hear some one say - well I am doing good considering the circumstances..........
Nope you are dealing with this or another words your circumstances are from the choices you made some time back to get to the place you are now.

NOTICE: I said Most and not all. Some times we face circumstances caused by others. Your teen boy goes and and makes his girl friend with child. Now you have a new set of circumstances to deal with that you did not bring on your self.

People like to blame the devil or claim it is Gods will for what they are dealing with and in all truth..........it is just where their choices took them......circumstance of the choices.
Blessings
Jim

 

[Euphemia]

I keep asking you for this reason.............
Because most of the circumstances we face are brought on by choices we have made.
Ever hear some one say - well I am doing good considering the circumstances..........
Nope you are dealing with this or another words your circumstances are from the choices you made some time back to get to the place you are now.

NOTICE: I said Most and not all. Some times we face circumstances caused by others. Your teen boy goes and and makes his girl friend with child. Now you have a new set of circumstances to deal with that you did not bring on your self.

People like to blame the devil or claim it is Gods will for what they are dealing with and in all truth..........it is just where their choices took them......circumstance of the choices.
Blessings
Jim

Often, for the Christian who is allowing himself to be led by God, the circumstances he finds himself in are appointed by God. ( I KNOW you know this, Jim!)

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

Often, for the Christian who is allowing himself to be led by God, the circumstances he finds himself in are appointed by God. ( I KNOW you know this, Jim!)

I know you believe that everything a beleiver does is blessed. When you believe you are following His ways then it is all blessed. I will not believe in this stuff.

I know I did not do the best at explaining how you see things. I tried from our past conversations - so please dont hate me yet.

If you truly beleive what you say above then for the beleiver who is following God as you say and is having a wonderful day gets run off the road and hits a tree and they chase the guy down and get into road rage and three dogs and a little old lady get run over. Those circumstances still under Gods controll?

Yes dear I know pretty far fetched.....but it makes a point.
God Bless
Jim

 

[Euphemia]

I know you believe that everything a beleiver does is blessed. When you believe you are following His ways then it is all blessed. I will not believe in this stuff.

I know I did not do the best at explaining how you see things. I tried from our past conversations - so please dont hate me yet.

If you truly beleive what you say above then for the beleiver who is following God as you say and is having a wonderful day gets run off the road and hits a tree and they chase the guy down and get into road rage and three dogs and a little old lady get run over. Those circumstances still under Gods controll?

Yes dear I know pretty far fetched.....but it makes a point.
God Bless
Jim

Too far-fetched for me. I have no idea what you are trying to get me to admit.

I am talking about God-appointed moments that He leads us to, where His power is exhibited in and through us when He desires it. I read a testimony a few years ago of a young pastor who was driving a long distance and expected to be on the road for many hours and he was actually, like Philip, transported to his destination! This is the kind of gifting and anointing I am talking about that comes to us in circumstances we can find ourselves in as Spirit-led people.

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

Too far-fetched for me. I have no idea what you are trying to get me to admit.

I am talking about God-appointed moments that He leads us to, where His power is exhibited in and through us when He desires it. I read a testimony a few years ago of a young pastor who was driving a long distance and expected to be on the road for many hours and he was actually, like Philip, transported to his destination! This is the kind of gifting and anointing I am talking about that comes to us in circumstances we can find ourselves in as Spirit-led people.

Ok then...say that then........dont say all circumstances - say the God apointed ones. Other wise brethren who are weaker in His written word and ways begin to believe everything that happens ( circumstances ) is Gods doing or His will for them.

Now I know you know this Euphemia that there is a lot of that in here.

You said
Often, for the Christian who is allowing himself to be led by God, the circumstances he finds himself in are appointed by God. ( I KNOW you know this, Jim!)
and said
We can not dictate our circumstances

Love and Hugs in Christ
Jim

 

[Euphemia]

Ok then...say that then........dont say all circumstances - say the God apointed ones. Other wise brethren who are weaker in His written word and ways begin to believe everything that happens ( circumstances ) is Gods doing or His will for them.

Now I know you know this Euphemia that there is a lot of that in here.

You said
Often, for the Christian who is allowing himself to be led by God, the circumstances he finds himself in are appointed by God. ( I KNOW you know this, Jim!)
and said
We can not dictate our circumstances

Love and Hugs in Christ
Jim

Um....yes....

 

[Major]

Brother, sometimes healing comes instantly, and some time it comes as a process over time, which is why we are told......

Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised)

Since God sends his Word and heals us, we should pay attention to what we are suppose to do after professing our faith in his Word.

Exo 14:14 The LORD will fight for you, and you have only to be silent."

Another translation says, "the Lord will fight for you, just keep your mouth shut"

Why keep out mouth shut, because we are always speaking words contrary to our faith, that nullifies our faith.

Can you post the Scriptures where God did not heal instantly???

 

[Major]

Bother Grant, there is no reason why not to stand your ground in what you believe to be true. How else will we ever learn if we just let things go when you believe what you are reading is wrong. It is not Godly to "compromise" the truth to bring peace between the brethren. That peace only comes after we are unwilling to compromise the truth, and this peace comes first within the believer who is speaking it. As Jesus said, "Wisdom is justified by all her children" No one can have the children of Wisdom unless they truly have that Wisdom from above.

Jas 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Jas 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

None of the Apostles or Jesus himself ever compromised the truth just to bring peace, as it cost them their lives because of it. If I know something is wrong am I not suppose to reveal what I believe to others, with scripture proof as to why, and then let those reading decide for themselves what the truth is?

"None of the Apostles or Jesus himself ever compromised the truth just to bring peace, as it cost them their lives because of it."

And while that is true, they did not have to contend with a moderator giving out points so as to remove them from existence.

 

[CCW95A]

Can you post the Scriptures where God did not heal instantly???

Luke 17:12.. And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off:
Luke 17:13.. And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.
Luke 17:14.. And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.