Brother, I care about you very much. I sense your frustration but it's not with me. I'm provoking you to jealousy, to lift you out of doubt and disbelief like I was. We are kindred spirits because I've been where you are. You cannot pick and choose what you believe. I quoted tons of verses about faith and you responded not to one of them. Learn this verse:
*[[2Co 5:7]] KJV* (For we walk by faith, not by sight: )
You didn't see faith work so you attack it and every time it's bought up you throw it into a box of religion so you can dismiss it. You are correct about the "word of faith movement" and that is the trick of the devil, but see it for what it is, he muddled the truth by claiming things not true. Instead of weeding out these falsehoods you're dismissing all the power of God because of your experiences and misunderstanding about His activities in the physical. The devil is a thief and liar so he's going to disprove the word of God every chance every way possible. So as a Christian, as a son of God, as a priest and a king, what are YOU going to do with verse:
*[[2Co 5:7]] KJV* (For we walk by faith, not by sight: )
Now I've edited this verse, just so you know, but to prove it's for today, here is how this site's software translates it and that it is God's good news:
*[[2Co 5:7]] KJV* (For we walk by faith, not by sight
None of that is true my brother. Again....your "elitist attitude is sneaking through your words.
You said.........
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I'm provoking you to jealousy, to lift you out of doubt and disbelief like I was. We are kindred spirits because I've been where you are. You cannot pick and choose what you believe."
There is no reason for you to assume such a stance. WHY is it that when I do not agree with your theology I say....."I do not agree with you". But when you speak to me you challenge my faith and understanding of God's Word.
WHY??
Now please do not come up with some exciting excuse, just speak to what you have already stated..............
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I'm provoking you to jealousy, to lift you out of doubt and disbelief like I was. We are kindred spirits because I've been where you are. "
You are not provoking me to anything at all. I am just very saddened to know that you are of the opinion that YOU and Jim, and Euphemia, who are all followers of the Charismatic Pentecostal faith believe that you are the only ones who have the Truth and the rest of us are somehow way out in the desert of unbelief and rebellion when in fact we just do not agree with your denominational teachings.
Now I have not responded to the Bible verses you posted for the same reason you have not responded to the ones I have posted.
You are going to believe what you want them to say and not what they actually do say so what is really the point?
For example, you posted 2 Corth. 5:7 and for the only reason I guess is that you do not think that I live by faith. Why else submit such a verse????? Again that is a challenge to my faith. IF I said that to you, how many points would you be assessing to me????
The truth then is when we read the Scriptures in context, what we see is that Paul was talking about going to heaven to be with God in verse #6. Verse #7 is in correctly in "parenthesis" in Paul's thought for it answers to his confidence in verse #6 and again in #8. He is saying that all things being equal he would just as soon take leave of his earthen body and take up his home with the Lord in glory.
Is that what you want to do? Properly do exegesis on Scriptures?
As I have posted once already, this back and forth and all of the "Likes" from those who think as you do is nothing more that the classic example of traditional Christian theology and the Charismatic Pentecostal denomination dressing up in the "name and claim it" and "Word of Faith" off shoots of the AOG church, then choosing sides like this was a football game.
As a moderator, do you not see what is happening here???
We can go back forth for as long as you want to but what is really the point??? We have different understandings and I am NOT going to challenge your faith or your understanding of the Scriptures or anyone else's. IT seems to me that it is acceptable for the opposite to take place under the heading of
"I am trying to lift you out of doubt and disbelief like I was in".
That appears to be acceptable as it has now taken place about 6 times so it causes one to ask ......WHY is that the case since it breaks the forum rules?????
Now IF you want to debate the differences of the Pentecostal faith to the more traditional understanding of them, then please start a thread under "Doctrinal" and I will be more that happy to accommodate you. Since you are obviously able to post things that I can not do I am sure that the thread will be allowed.
