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Jamn said:
Clarifications and new questions:

#1: Explain situating of Naphtali's placement in reference to ("SOUTHward?")
#2: Where were the firstfruits offered? Only at the Temple or in towns too? (, .) Please provide references for your answer. I'm still unclear about where it gives instructions on timing and placement of this specific sacrifice.
#3: Because the honey Samson ate from the lion's carcass considered an unclean food, what were the repercussions if his actions? Why did the Lord remain with him? His vow was broken, right? Or perhaps because it was a year or so later the lion was decomposed and simply fortified the honey's nutrients...
#4: When were the Kenites carried away by Ashur? ()
#5: Is the 'boiling' spoken of in
against or not in line with God's law? I thought He already told them what part they would receive. So it should not have been by chance, or whatever came up in the pot. Where/when did God instruct them to boil it in order to come up with the part that belonged to them? It was already decided...
#6: What of () Book of Wars & () the Book of Jasher? Why are they lost when they are referred to within the surviving texts? Were they not Scripture?
#7: Is Kiriathaim the same as Kiriath Jearim?
#8: Lots of questions about Levites...
A. Why was Levi distinguished for this honor despite he and Simeon's sin in ? Were they cursed for it? Simeon seems to fade into obscurity...
B. Did Levites who worked in the temple(s), etc. live in a different place than the ones who led normal lives?
C. Did both types live in the Levite towns or did they live separately? D. Did the Levites (both or one kind) live with other people in their towns who belonged to the tribe they were situated in or were the towns exclusively for the Levites?
E. How did the redeeming of the firstborn/Levites work?
#9: Was the king in Jerusalem? When did this start? With Saul? Was there a reason they chose Jerusalem? (Reference?) "David took the Philistine’s head and brought it to Jerusalem; he put the Philistine’s weapons in his own tent." ( NIV)
#10: Who eventually killed off the Amalekites?
#11: Why were there idols in David's house? ()
#12: When was the separation of Judah and Israel? There are mentions of Judah separate from Israel beginning around 1 Samuel. (Ex. 1; ;
#13: Ruth was a Moabite, who were not allowed to enter the congregation even till the tenth generation. Did this not include proselytes? . People say it doesn't include descendants by foreign women. Reference?
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Jamn I answered most of these for you already...I will look though your new list and see about any which differ....
 
#1: Explain situating of Naphtali's placement in reference to Deuteronomy 33:23 ("SOUTHward?")


The true answer was given you…you may not accept it but I cannot help you there…


#2: Where were the firstfruits offered? Only at the Temple or in towns too? (Deuteronomy 26:1-10, Leviticus 23:9-14.) Please provide references for your answer. I'm still unclear about where it gives instructions on timing and placement of this specific sacrifice.

Firstfruits always falls on the first 1st day (or an 8th day in the counting of days) which follows the 7th day Sabbath in the feast of Unleavened Bread (which can be any number day of the feast)…let me explain and then I will give you some scriptures to look at…the Passover proper (the night of the evening Seder) is always on the 14th of Nisan (do not be confused with the post-Babylonian “tradition” of the Temple Seder which was held on the 15th for the poor and wayfaring) see Leviticus 23:5 for the proper day according to the Torah…from the slaying of the lamb to bleed out took from 20 minutes to two hours and then the lamb was washed, roasted, and eaten in full by morning (sunrise)….the unleavened bread of Passover was eaten in haste to represent their leaving in a hurry…

The 15th day of the same month (which began the following evening) is the first day (the actual first day) of the feast of Unleavened bread (see Leviticus 23:6 now). For 7 days (the 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th, and 21st) they were/are to eat Unleavened bread….the 1st day of Unleavened Bread is a type of shabbat or rest (regardless of the day it falls…see Leviticus 23:7) and the last day (the 21st of Nisan) is also a day of Holy convocation and rest as instructed in Leviticus 23:8.

Now within this feast of Unleavened Bread, whatever day of that feast the actual 7th day Sabbath falls, on the “morrow after the Sabbath” is the feast of firstfruits celebrated by the waving of the sheaves (see Leviticus 23:10-11)…the place in the Torah was at the Tabernacle as previously revealed (there was no Temple until Solomon built it)


#3: Because the honey Samson ate from the lion's carcass considered an unclean food, what were the repercussions if his actions? Why did the Lord remain with him? His vow was broken, right? Or perhaps because it was a year or so later the lion was decomposed and simply fortified the honey's nutrients...


No! As I already told you…it was not unlawful for him to eat honey…his vow to not eat meat or drink wine was not broken…no bees would have built a hive in a rotting corpse…the animal had already been dead long enough for it to not be a violation…probably did not even have any flesh wherein was the blood left on it (have you noticed the number of days of defilement for touching a dead body is the same as the number of days for mourning? Intersting!)


#4: When were the Kenites carried away by Ashur? (Numbers 24:21-22)


They lived in the clefts of the high rocks of towards the west. Eventually they were carried away by the Assyrian invaders (for the sons of Asshur see Genesis 10 these became the Assyrians) into captivity…their history is in Judges 4, then 2 Kings 15:29, and 17:6


#5: Is the 'boiling' spoken of in 1 Samuel 2 against or not in line with God's law? I thought He already told them what part they would receive. So it should not have been by chance, or whatever came up in the pot. Where/when did God instruct them to boil it in order to come up with the part that belonged to them? It was already decided...


Here I think you are correct (as I indicated after looking into this…all the fat was the Lord’s so I think his soms were in violation of the law)


#6: What of (Numbers 21:14) Book of Wars & (Joshua 10:13) the Book of Jasher? Why are they lost when they are referred to within the surviving texts? Were they not Scripture?


No they were not scripture but rather history books available at the time and some of what they covered was apparently included in the Torah.


#7: Is Kiriathaim the same as Kiriath Jearim?


No! There is no Kiriath Jearim in the Bible…Jearim was a mountainous region spoken of later



#8: Lots of questions about Levites...

A. Why was Levi distinguished for this honor despite he and Simeon's sin in Genesis 34? Were they cursed for it? Simeon seems to fade into obscurity...


I do not see where Levi was honored in Genesis 34. Later the Levites are honored and made to be the priests and ministers of the Household of God because of Moses and Aaron (all the tribes had sin, even Joseph’s)


B. Did Levites who worked in the temple(s), etc. live in a different place than the ones who led normal lives?


No they had houses like everyone else…but there were special towns for them


C. Did both types live in the Levite towns or did they live separately?


What do you mean by both types? Define the two types….


D. Did the Levites (both or one kind) live with other people in their towns who belonged to the tribe they were situated in or were the towns exclusively for the Levites?


That is a good question the Bible has no answer for…I guess it was irrelevant.



E. How did the redeeming of the firstborn/Levites work?


The same as redemption for any person in Israel…looking forward to the Lord’s promised redeemer in faith they came with their sacrifices


#9: Was the king in Jerusalem? When did this start? With Saul? Was there a reason they chose Jerusalem? (Reference?) "David took the Philistine’s head and brought it to Jerusalem; he put the Philistine’s weapons in his own tent." (1 Samuel 17:54 NIV)


Yes but David conquered Jerusalem from the Jebusites around 1,020 B.C. and made it his Capital…when he took Goliath’s weapons to his tent it was outside of the fortress of the Jubusites where he had been grazing his sheep.


#10: Who eventually killed off the Amalekites?


Saul! 1 Samuel 15


#11: Why were there idols in David's house? (1 Samuel 19:13)


It was a dummy his wife set in his bed to fool her father who wanted to kill him (not the same as an idol that one would worship)


#12: When was the separation of Judah and Israel? There are mentions of Judah separate from Israel beginning around 1 Samuel. (Ex. 11 Samuel 11:8; 17:52; 18:16


Right after Solomon dies. His allowance of idolatrous shrines for his wives led Jeroboam to rebel against Rehoboam (who was appointed King in Solomon’s stead) and separate and the 10 tribes (minus Judah and Benjamin) went north and such began the divided kingdoms, In the North was the Kingdom of, House of, or children of Israel…and in the south was the House of, Kingdom of, children of Judah (Israel is conquered and carried away by the Assyrians and Judah somewhat later by the Babylonians)…all the prophets divide and distinguish these two (Israel sometimes being called Ephraim…explore the Jewish idea of “The Melo ha’Goyim” Google it and see why) and should be distinguished by you as you read the prophets (all Israelites are not Jews…Jews do not occur in the Bible until after the children of Judah return from Babylon)


#13: Ruth was a Moabite, who were not allowed to enter the congregation even till the tenth generation. Did this not include proselytes? Deuteronomy 23. People say it doesn't include descendants by foreign women. Reference?


I answered this previously…

In His love

brother Paul
 
Jamn said:
Clarifications and new questions:

you are having us do your homework .. lol

#1: Explain situating of Naphtali's placement in reference to Deuteronomy 33:23 ("SOUTHward?")

the "Tent of the Meeting" (portable Temple) was in the center with the door facing east .. 4 tribes were on the south side , 4 tribes were on the east side, 4 tribes were on the north side and 4 tribes were on the west side .. they made a "cross"

#2: Where were the firstfruits offered? Only at the Temple or in towns too? (Deuteronomy 26:1-10, Leviticus 23:9-14.) Please provide references for your answer. I'm still unclear about where it gives instructions on timing and placement of this specific sacrifice.

all Korban (types named in above post) were brought to the Priest at the Tent of the Meeting" ..

#3: Because the honey Samson ate from the lion's carcass considered an unclean food, what were the repercussions if his actions? Why did the Lord remain with him? His vow was broken, right? Or perhaps because it was a year or so later the lion was decomposed and simply fortified the honey's nutrients...

honey us not "unclean" only certain types of animals are ..

#4: When were the Kenites carried away by Ashur? (Numbers 24:21-22)

let me get back to you on that ..

#5: Is the 'boiling' spoken of in
1 Samuel 2 against or not in line with God's law? I thought He already told them what part they would receive. So it should not have been by chance, or whatever came up in the pot. Where/when did God instruct them to boil it in order to come up with the part that belonged to them? It was already decided...

as I said, see if it was a guilt, sin, peace or thanksgiving Korban .. the OT does tell which is being discussed most of the time ..

#6: What of (Numbers 21:14) Book of Wars & (Joshua 10:13) the Book of Jasher? Why are they lost when they are referred to within the surviving texts? Were they not Scripture?

they were scripture .. Jewish cannon was made about 400 bc .. and it seems they were lost during the Babylonian destruction of the Temple, sacking of Jerusalem and captivity of the people ..

#7: Is Kiriathaim the same as Kiriath Jearim?

Kiriath would be the progenitor and name of his lands .. Kiriathaim would be his descendents who lived there .. "im" is plural in Hebrew ..

#8: Lots of questions about Levites...
A. Why was Levi distinguished for this honor despite he and Simeon's sin in Genesis 34? Were they cursed for it? Simeon seems to fade into obscurity...

because Moses and Aaron were both Levites ..

B. Did Levites who worked in the temple(s), etc. live in a different place than the ones who led normal lives?

they were chosen .. as they would select different ones similar to jury duty it was for only a limited time ..

C. Did both types live in the Levite towns or did they live separately? D. Did the Levites (both or one kind) live with other people in their towns who belonged to the tribe they were situated in or were the towns exclusively for the Levites?

those serving as priest, would live separately near the Temple ..

E. How did the redeeming of the firstborn/Levites work?

running out of time .. let me get back to you on that one too ..

#9: Was the king in Jerusalem? When did this start? With Saul?

Saul was the first King .. he never lived in Jerusalem .. David was second King and captured Jerusalem .. before that, they had "judges" (one at a time) who oversaw the nation ..

Was there a reason they chose Jerusalem? (Reference?)

it was God's city .. Mechkezadik was from there whom Abraham met ..

"David took the Philistine’s head and brought it to Jerusalem; he put the Philistine’s weapons in his own tent." (1 Samuel 17:54 NIV)

#10: Who eventually killed off the Amalekites?

running out of time .. let me get back to you on that one too ..

#11: Why were there idols in David's house? (1 Samuel 19:13)
he did that to please his pagan wives ..

#12: When was the separation of Judah and Israel? There are mentions of Judah separate from Israel beginning around 1 Samuel. (Ex. 1 Samuel 11:8, 17:52, 18:16)

the 10 tribes of the North split with the 2 of the South, because they wanted their own King .. thus favor and union ..

#13: Ruth was a Moabite, who were not allowed to enter the congregation even till the tenth generation. Did this not include proselytes? Deuteronomy 23. People say it doesn't include descendants by foreign women. Reference?

only if the father was not Hebrew ..
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Brother Paul said:
Wasn't a problem...I already know most of these questions...been answering similar questions for years
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Actually I only repeated a question if it wasn't answered. I expounded upon my originals to clarify what the issue was that wasn't addressed. Also see new questions.
 

Here I posted a picture of my college diploma. I find comments referring to me asking someone to do my work for me or 'do my homework' condescending. Please keep in mind that I'm trying to learn all I can- think of the hundreds of question I've been able to answer for myself. Why should I not ask fellow believers about specific ones that I'm having trouble with? Thank you for your answers but this has nothing to do with school. Thanks.
 

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What makes you think (1) that David's wife was pagan? (Daughter of Saul) (2) that he had more than one at this time?
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A. Why was Levi distinguished for this honor despite he and Simeon's sin in Genesis 34? Were they cursed for it? Simeon seems to fade into obscurity...

because Moses and Aaron were both Levites ..

This is a perfect example of the answer having nothing to do with the question. This is why I have repeated myself lol. :)
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they were chosen .. as they would select different ones similar to jury duty it was for only a limited time ..

Reference for limited time comment?
 
Brother Paul:
#1: what you said was confusing and i don't see how it answers the south question. It seems pretty straightforward- inheriting southward to the lake.
#2: thank you!!!
#3: ok we agree on this one. :D Interesting about the mourning! How many days?
#4: great answer!! Thanks.
#8:
A. Why was Levi distinguished for this honor despite he and Simeon's sin in Genesis 34? Were they cursed for it? Simeon seems to fade into obscurity...

The honor i meant was the priesthood.

C. Did both types live in the Levite towns or did they live separately?

TYPE 1: worked for Lord
TYPE 2: extra, lived regular lives working like other tribes

#9: but I'm asking this from my reference which is before David's kingship. Saul is king so is he/why is he in Jerusalem?

#10: in 2 Samuel David fights them...

#11: But teraphim (literal translation) referred to idolatry... Right?

#12: this is a great answer but it doesn't explain why there were separate referenced as early as 1 Samuel.

#13: I'm asking for a reference that tells how the true converts are accepted when it doesn't specify that as far as I can tell. At this point a lot of things are more about outward (blood) than inward (spirit), not to say spirit isn't most important.
 
Jamn said:
Why wouldn't all sin offerings be eaten by the priests?
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all sin "korban/sacrifice" were eaten by the Priest ..
the Priest was a sort of proxy that took the sin within him ..
and then was cleansed ..

Sin offering = Korban Chatat or Hataat
(eaten by the Kohanim)
meaning once sacrificed the Jewish Priests eats it ..

guilt offering = Korban Olah
(consumed entirely by the fire of the Mizbayach)
meaning NO ONE ate the sacrifice ..

peace offering = Korban Shelamim
(eaten by the person who brings the sacrifice)
so you make a personal seder ..

thanksgiving offering = korban Todah .. example: Korban Pesach
(shared)
meaning you make a seder for family and usually invite a guest/s ..
 
Jamn said:
What makes you think (1) that David's wife was pagan? (Daughter of Saul) (2) that he had more than one at this time?
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yes he had other wives while married to Saul's daughter
Michaal mother of none ..
Ahinoiam (the Jesreelite) mother of Ammon ..
Haggith mother of Adonijah ..
Abigial (Camelite) mother of Daniel ..
Bathsheba mother of Solomon, Shimea, Nathan, Ibhar, Elishua, Eliada, Elophelelet, Nogah, Nephag, Japhea, Elishama and Eliphelet ..
Eglah mother of Ithream ..
Maacah (daughter of the King of Gesher) mother of Absolom and Tamar ..

2Sa 5:13 Meanwhile David took more concubines and wives from Jerusalem, after he came from Hebron; and more sons and daughters were born to David.

his son Solomon out did his father David ..

1Ki 11:3 He had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines, and his wives turned his heart away.
 
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they were chosen .. as they would select different ones similar to jury duty it was for only a limited time ..

Reference for limited time comment?
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Aaron was the first, and was until he died ..
his son Eleazar was the second (Num 20:28) ..
that continued (I believe) as a lifelong office until the 8th century when the Assyrians attacked Jerusalem .. then it became an appointed office ..
you also will find Jethro (Moses father in-law) was a half Jew also (Medianite) and served as High Priest also .. this was an appointed office for a set duration, which is recorded ..

5BC-4BC Matthias ben Theophilus
4BC Joazar ben Boethus
4BC-3BC Eleazar ben Boethus
3BC-? Joshua ben Sie
?-6AD Joazar ben Boethus
6AD-15AD Ananus ben Seth
15AD-16AD Ishmael ben Fabus
16AD-17AD Eleazar ben Ananus
17AD-18AD Simon ben Camithus
18AD-36AD Joseph Caiaphas
36AD-37AD Jonathan ben Ananus
37AD-41AD Theophilus ben Ananus
41AD-43AD Simon Cantatheras ben Boethus
43AD Matthias ben Ananus
43AD-44AD Elioneus ben Simon Cantatheras
44AD Jonathan ben Ananus (restored)
44AD-46AD Josephus ben Camydus
46AD-52AD Ananias ben Nebedeus
52AD-56AD Jonathan
56AD-62AD Ishmael ben Fabus (restored?)
62AD-63AD Joseph Cabi ben Simon
63AD Ananus ben Ananus
63AD Joshua ben Damneus
63AD-64AD Joshua ben GamalieL
65AD-66AD Mattathias ben Theophilus
66AD Jewish Revolt begins, Temple destroyed, High Priesthood ends ..

for a list from the beginning, you can find that listed by Josephus ..
 
Jamn said:
Why was Levi distinguished for this honor despite he and Simeon's sin in Genesis 34? Were they cursed for it? Simeon seems to fade into obscurity...

because Moses and Aaron were both Levites ..

This is a perfect example of the answer having nothing to do with the question. This is why I have repeated myself lol. :)

well, I'm sorry, but that is the answer .. Aaron (God's pre-chosen) WOULD BECOME the descendant of Levi, and hence Levi was blessed through his coming seed Aaron for this role ..

Jacob had 12 sons who became the 12 tribes (Gen 29,30) ..
Ephraim and Manasseh (sons of Joseph) replaced Levi and Joseph (Num 1) ..
note: Levi was just separated as the Priesthood, whereas Joseph was eliminated ..
in Rev 7 .. Levi returns as a tribe (no more priesthood) as does Joseph ..
but Dan and Ephraim is eliminated as a tribe ..
note: Ephraim is still mentioned in Rev though as fighting in end times ..
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#9: but I'm asking this from my reference which is before David's kingship. Saul is king so is he/why is he in Jerusalem?

Oh I see…well nothing in A Samuel 17 implies Saul is King in Jerusalem…they battled in a Valley near there…just that Saul is King and that David brings the head to Jerusalem (maybe to frighten the Jebusites who probably thought and maybe hoped Israel would be defeated)

#10: in 2 Samuel David fights them...

Yes, by 2 Samuel David is King…

#11: But teraphim (literal translation) referred to idolatry... Right?

Yes but his wife (the daughter of Saul) may well have dabbled in such things as David was in her father’s kingdom and acted not against the Lord’s anointed. She used it (probably a statue) as a ruse to fool those coming.

#12: this is a great answer but it doesn't explain why there were separate referenced as early as 1 Samuel.

Well in 1 Samuel Judah is a sub-group (the people of the King) within greater Israel…the 30,000 for example are part of the total 300,000 (and these may not be literal numbers)…perhaps it is somewhat prophetic…these references to Judah do not necessarily include those of the latter “Kingdom of Judah” at this time Saul was King over all.

#13: I'm asking for a reference that tells how the true converts are accepted when it doesn't specify that as far as I can tell. At this point a lot of things are more about outward (blood) than inward (spirit), not to say spirit isn't most important.

Spirit is of course the most important as people were accepted by God not on the basis of being in one of the 12 tribes…Noah and Abraham for example were not Jews nor Israelites nor of any of the 12 tribes…when the Exodus occurred a mixed multitude left Egypt along with Israel (there first born being spared because they believed God)….don’t you think some if not many of them entered the covenant with Israel that Moses offered the multitude (which included all the people). It is more than like true that some of the people of the tribes of Israel did not take Moses seriously and at the Passover felt the blood of a chicken or goat would probably be just as good or that they being a good person did not REALLY need the blood and lost their first born (but I admit that is speculation)…now consider Caleb (Joshua’s Caleb) who was one of the two spies sent by Moses to spy out the land of Palestine. He showed himself to fully trust in the Lord. The Bible says he’s a Kenizzite by birth (Josh. 14:6), and we know they were one of the clans of Edom (Gen. 36:11). In time, Caleb was even considered a leader of a tribe. Hence, he had fully joined Israel, even to the point of being placed in a leadership role as a son of Judah (Numbers 13:3-6)…
 
Jamn said:
#11: But teraphim (literal translation) referred to idolatry... Right?
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only one specific form (see 2Ki 23:24) .. a teraphim is the plural of a teraph (derived from rapha') which was a healing spirit, and was the pagan version similar to a seraphim which is the plural of a seraph ..
which they made little household idols of (kinda like their guardian angels) ..
they also had asherim, which is the plural of an asherah ..

those were basically a tree cut off about 10' up and all limbs cut off .. they sometimes had only one (singular) .. and sometimes a line of them (plural) which was called a "sacred grove" .. there are about 50 verses in all .. sometimes they carved them into faces like a totem pole (1Ki 15:13) with roots ..

to my understanding, when King David brought the Ark to Jerusalem, they also brought Moses' bronze serpent mounted on a stave (Nehushtan or Nechushtan) .. and after Solomon had built the Temple, they put Moses' stave nearby .. and later they planted an asherim (sacred grove) around it .. to which Hezekiah destroyed all including Moses' staff (2Ki 18:4) because it was defiled ..

IT IS A TREE ..

Deu 16:21 "You shall not plant for yourself an Asherah of any kind of tree beside the altar of the LORD your God, which you shall make for yourself.
Exd 34:13 "But rather, you are to tear down their altars and smash their sacred pillars and cut down their Asherim
Deu 7:5 "But thus you shall do to them: you shall tear down their altars, and smash their sacred pillars, and hew down their Asherim, and burn their graven images with fire.
Deu 12:3 "You shall tear down their altars and smash their sacred pillars and burn their Asherim with fire, and you shall cut down the engraved images of their gods and obliterate their name from that place.
Jdg 6:25 Now on the same night the LORD said to him, "Take your father's bull and a second bull seven years old, and pull down the altar of Baal which belongs to your father, and cut down the Asherah that is beside it;
Jdg 6:26 and build an altar to the LORD your God on the top of this stronghold in an orderly manner, and take a second bull and offer a burnt offering with the wood of the Asherah which you shall cut down."
Jdg 6:28 When the men of the city arose early in the morning, behold, the altar of Baal was torn down, and the Asherah which was beside it was cut down, and the second bull was offered on the altar which had been built.
Jdg 6:30 Then the men of the city said to Joash, "Bring out your son, that he may die, for he has torn down the altar of Baal, and indeed, he has cut down the Asherah which was beside it."
1Ki 14:15 "For the LORD will strike Israel, as a reed is shaken in the water; and He will uproot Israel from this good land which He gave to their fathers, and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, because they have made their Asherim, provoking the LORD to anger.
1Ki 14:23 For they also built for themselves high places and sacred pillars and Asherim on every high hill and beneath every luxuriant tree.
> 1Ki 15:13 He also removed Maacah his mother from being queen mother, because she had made a horrid image as an Asherah; and Asa cut down her horrid image and burned it at the brook Kidron.
1Ki 16:33 Ahab also made the Asherah. Thus Ahab did more to provoke the LORD God of Israel than all the kings of Israel who were before him.
1Ki 18:19 "Now then send and gather to me all Israel at Mount Carmel, together with 450 prophets of Baal and 400 prophets of the Asherah, who eat at Jezebel's table."
2Ki 13:6 Nevertheless they did not turn away from the sins of the house of Jeroboam, with which he made Israel sin, but walked in them; and the Asherah also remained standing in Samaria.
2Ki 17:10 They set for themselves sacred pillars and Asherim on every high hill and under every green tree,
2Ki 17:16 They forsook all the commandments of the LORD their God and made for themselves molten images, even two calves, and made an Asherah and worshiped all the host of heaven and served Baal.
> 2Ki 18:4 He removed the high places and broke down the sacred pillars and cut down the Asherah. He also broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the sons of Israel burned incense to it; and it was called Nehushtan.
2Ki 21:3 For he rebuilt the high places which Hezekiah his father had destroyed; and he erected altars for Baal and made an Asherah, as Ahab king of Israel had done, and worshiped all the host of heaven and served them.
2Ki 21:7 Then he set the carved image of Asherah that he had made, in the house of which the LORD said to David and to his son Solomon, "In this house and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen from all the tribes of Israel, I will put My name forever.
2Ki 23:4 Then the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest and the priests of the second order and the doorkeepers, to bring out of the temple of the LORD all the vessels that were made for Baal, for Asherah, and for all the host of heaven; and he burned them outside Jerusalem in the fields of the Kidron, and carried their ashes to Bethel.
2Ki 23:6 He brought out the Asherah from the house of the LORD outside Jerusalem to the brook Kidron, and burned it at the brook Kidron, and ground it to dust, and threw its dust on the graves of the common people.
> 2Ki 23:7 He also broke down the houses of the male cult prostitutes which were in the house of the LORD, where the women were weaving hangings for the Asherah.
2Ki 23:14 He broke in pieces the sacred pillars and cut down the Asherim and filled their places with human bones.
2Ki 23:15 Furthermore, the altar that was at Bethel and the high place which Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel sin, had made, even that altar and the high place he broke down. Then he demolished its stones, ground them to dust, and burned the Asherah.
2Ch 14:3 for he removed the foreign altars and high places, tore down the sacred pillars, cut down the Asherim,
2Ch 15:16 He also removed Maacah, the mother of King Asa, from the position of queen mother, because she had made a horrid image as an Asherah, and Asa cut down her horrid image, crushed it and burned it at the brook Kidron.
2Ch 17:6 He took great pride in the ways of the LORD and again removed the high places and the Asherim from Judah.
2Ch 24:18 They abandoned the house of the LORD, the God of their fathers, and served the Asherim and the idols; so wrath came upon Judah and Jerusalem for this their guilt.
2Ch 31:1 Now when all this was finished, all Israel who were present went out to the cities of Judah, broke the pillars in pieces, cut down the Asherim and pulled down the high places and the altars throughout all Judah and Benjamin, as well as in Ephraim and Manasseh, until they had destroyed them all. Then all the sons of Israel returned to their cities, each to his possession.
2Ch 33:3 For he rebuilt the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down; he also erected altars for the Baals and made Asherim, and worshiped all the host of heaven and served them.
2Ch 33:19 His prayer also and how God was entreated by him, and all his sin, his unfaithfulness, and the sites on which he built high places and erected the Asherim and the carved images, before he humbled himself, behold, they are written in the records of the Hozai.
2Ch 34:3 For in the eighth year of his reign while he was still a youth, he began to seek the God of his father David; and in the twelfth year he began to purge Judah and Jerusalem of the high places, the Asherim, the carved images and the molten images.
2Ch 34:4 They tore down the altars of the Baals in his presence, and the incense altars that were high above them he chopped down; also the Asherim, the carved images and the molten images he broke in pieces and ground to powder and scattered it on the graves of those who had sacrificed to them.
2Ch 34:7 he also tore down the altars and beat the Asherim and the carved images into powder, and chopped down all the incense altars throughout the land of Israel. Then he returned to Jerusalem.
Isa 17:8 He will not have regard for the altars, the work of his hands, Nor will he look to that which his fingers have made, Even the Asherim and incense stands.
Isa 27:9 Therefore through this Jacob's iniquity will be forgiven; And this will be the full price of the pardoning of his sin: When he makes all the altar stones like pulverized chalk stones; When Asherim and incense altars will not stand.
Jer 17:2 As they remember their children, So they remember their altars and their Asherim By green trees on the high hills.
Mic 5:14 "I will root out your Asherim from among you And destroy your cities.
 
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Jeremiah 3:9, "And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks."

the OT refers to idolatry as whoredom or adultery .. and idolatry used stone alters (also pillars) and sticks (trees) called Asherah or Asherim

interesting, the Hebrew word used is "qowl" which is almost always translated as either "voice" or "crying out" .. lightness is the only verse translated like that, which seems totally out of context .. the context should be: Israels idolatry worship (which it was promoting) was being "heard" throughout the land (meaning many doing it) .. thus defiling the nation ..
 
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Jeremiah 3:9, "And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks."

the OT refers to idolatry as whoredom or adultery .. and idolatry used stone alters (also pillars) and sticks (trees) called Asherah or Asherim

interesting, the Hebrew word used is "qowl" which is almost always translated as either "voice" or "crying out" .. lightness is the only verse translated like that, which seems totally out of context .. the context should be: Israels idolatry worship (which it was promoting) was being "heard" throughout the land (meaning many doing it) .. thus defiling the nation ..
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Sadly, you are so correct....they were always falling into idolatry (and seeking it)...it cost them greatly.....
 
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Sadly, you are so correct....they were always falling into idolatry (and it)...it cost them greatly.....
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interesting enough the opening verse (Jer 3:1) it gives a lot of insight ..
the Father took Israel "as a wife" with His covenant ..
(He is really mad at her often, and threatens divorce, but doesn't, and why scripture says "all Isreal will be saved")
(also see Isa 54:6, Eze 16:32 God calling Israel "his wife")

and Jesus is "betrothed" to us, with His covenant, and thus it is not a done-deal yet ..
(if we play the harlot, He does not have to deal with it)
 
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