personally i would think after 5 pages . something of more interest would pop up
Must one Hold to the trinity to be saved?
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You don't need to believe in the Trinity to be saved, but once you are saved, you should believe in the Trinity.
Oneness and Modualists and Unitarians believe in one God, but are not saved, as they hold to a heretical view on God!
Impossible to have the right God if one does not!
AGreed........sort of!
NO!!!!
Right, in order to believe right off the bat you have the Father and the Son…
John 3:16 KJV
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Maybe it’s the elusive Holy Spirit that later one comes to find out as the One drawing them to the Son all along.
John 16:13 KJV
[13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
YES!
What we do not know can in fact save us.
so where does that leave those who are apostolic
Hello Foundsheep;
I sort of agree with what you posted and it interests me. When one is saved whom did they proclaim?
If one is proclaiming Christ as their Lord and Savior, then the Trinity is already included because you cannot separate the Triune.
Or, if you're stating that when one is saved, then is it a growth process to graduate to belief in the Trinity?
Please elaborate, brother.
God bless you and thank you for sharing.
Still lost, same for Oneness!
the oneness is apostolic . baptism is the last step of salvation for them in Jesus name
They hold to a heretical cult theology regarding salvation . as hold to must be baptized just in name of Jesus . and must be in other tongues in order to be saved!
Perhaps another question one could ask is WHICH trinitarian doctrinal statement is correct? There are several I have seen over the years.
How does any doctrinal statement rooted in the weaknesses of human language capture the totality of God's nature and essence?
Answer: None can do that.
Yes, there are those who base even salvation upon the idea that those who don't understand and hold to it, are not saved...never minding that not one of the apostles, and not even Christ Himself, demanded we understand what the trinitarian doctrinal statements are trying to define for us.
John 11:25-26 KJV
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
John 12:46 KJV I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
The simplicity the Lord presented about Himself, THAT is all one needs for salvation:
John 14:7, 9 KJV
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. ...
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?
The insatiable appetite some have for complicating the Gospel for the unbeliever are not properly representing the Lord and HIS Gospel, for there is only one TRUE Gospel. All others are false.
Colossians 1:27 KJV To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
MM
How does any doctrinal statement rooted in the weaknesses of human language capture the totality of God's nature and essence?
Answer: None can do that.
Yes, there are those who base even salvation upon the idea that those who don't understand and hold to it, are not saved...never minding that not one of the apostles, and not even Christ Himself, demanded we understand what the trinitarian doctrinal statements are trying to define for us.
John 11:25-26 KJV
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
John 12:46 KJV I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
The simplicity the Lord presented about Himself, THAT is all one needs for salvation:
John 14:7, 9 KJV
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. ...
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?
The insatiable appetite some have for complicating the Gospel for the unbeliever are not properly representing the Lord and HIS Gospel, for there is only one TRUE Gospel. All others are false.
Colossians 1:27 KJV To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
MM
Yes, there is no way the finite will fully comprehend the infinite, but God has given us sufficient revelation about Himself in His Word that a continual denial of the Trinity would bring that person’s standing before God into question in the eyes of His Body, the Church. (IMHO)
My wife and I talked about this soon after I made that post above, and she mentioned how acceptance of Christ, who places His Holy Spirit within us, He makes revelations to us of whatsoever He so desires.
So, the question, then, is who and why 'deny' the Trinity? It's one thing to deny the doctrinal wording labeled as the 'Trinitarian Doctrinal Statement', but quite another to reject the Lord Himself after His having revealed Himself to one.
So, yes, I can reject the doctrinal statement itself on the grounds of it failing to grasp the fullness of the essence and interrelationship within what is called the 'Godhead,' but I will not deny He who is within me. He who is within has never pointed me to that doctrinal statement. It is Himself He points toward, for He and the Father are One. That is not an intellectually understood reality. It is experiential, which is beyond mere words. Words give to us what is similar to a directional sign on the roadway of life, only able to point to He who is the ultimate Destination, and who then makes it all experiential and living beyond anything mere words can give to us.
So, when others ask me if I believe in the Trinity, what should I say? Dare I say no to a belief in what they think can be verbalized in an attempt to define the Trinity, and they would see me as anathema. That's ok. There are those out there who are that harsh in their judgment of others.
Dare I put into words what I believe about the nature and essence of God, and I point simply to the words of Jesus stated in John 14, and what's inspired in Colossians 1. Anything else in addition to that is purely man-made, and therefore must be handled very carefully in discussion...especially when it comes to unbelievers to whom we are ministering.
MM
Just have to trust in what the bible records down to us, as its One God, but 3 Persons all were called same Yahweh!
The Holy Spirit Himself testifies to ones saved that father, Jesus, and he Himself are all equally Yahweh!
I hope I didn’t hint otherwise.
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