Hebrews 8:12
"For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.”God doesn't remember ours and we are to strive to be like Him.
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God doesn't remember ours and we are to strive to be like Him.
It is truly possible to forgive–and not forget! While we have a biblical imperative to forgive those who have wronged us, there is no corresponding requirement to forget what they have done.
God forgets our sin when we repent......but we are saddled with a human brain.
You see, forgiveness is not a one-time event, but a process and it takes time to heal.
Hello D3v;
Yes, a person can forgive and not forget. As Major was sharing, forgiveness is a process of healing.
I can think of a handful of people from years past and recent who trespassed, cursed, betrayed and backstabbed me just like any other person. It hurt as it should have.
Most of them never apologized and few of them have I encountered since. Regardless;
In my prayers to God, I made a decision to forgive each one but I haven't forgotten the hurt and my bruised ego still lingers. This is where God has or is still taking me through the process of healing. Part of this process is my learning from the experience and the time factor is God's time.
As God forgives He does forget our sin. That doesn't mean God won't remember as He does everything, He is allowing us by His grace and restoration of our past sin to press on without holding us back.
God bless you and your families.
Good stuff. Been there as well!
To NOT forget, I agree takes a healing process. When one continues to drag that HURT to the forefront every time the 2 ppl are together leads me to believe the hurt is not truly forgiven.
We can NOT in ourselves be godly unless we are allowing the HS to produce his FRUIT within us, for all his FRUIT centers on being acceptable to God.
Until our last breath, the battle of the flesh will still be trying to be first. When we put on the incorruptible, our victory is won.
We can NOT in ourselves be godly unless we are allowing the HS to produce his FRUIT within us, for all his FRUIT centers on being acceptable to God.
Until our last breath, the battle of the flesh will still be trying to be first. When we put on the incorruptible, our victory is won.
So then what should our attitude be ?
If we have to be in contact with the one who's caused the hurt,what are the steps to forgiving ?
If we have to be in contact with the one who's caused the hurt,what are the steps to forgiving ?
Hello D3v;
In this case when two or more are keeping score of the other's offense then this is spiritual immaturity. It's sad when a believer can quote Scripture, talk the talk and participate in a Bible study, but when it matters most they expose their bitter unforgiveness instead of the love verse in 1 Corinthians 13.
The first step is to invite the other. When I've been told, no, then I wait for that time and moment to confront them in person, but with the love verse on my heart. This takes faith as the Holy Spirit will guide me and prepare me to initiate the conversation. I find effective in taking responsibility for my part, first.
This may not alway work because we cannot force the other but if we see good in everyone, chances are they will let down their guard and talk.
We are all empowered to forgive and God always makes a way and will equip in this unfortunate situation. Right now I'm dealing with others as you described outside of Christian Forum Site.
YES, we see it in everyday life.
I am asked this question the most on forgiving & forgetting.
Some have toxic ppl in their work place and especially in family.
There seems to be some tug of war rather than score keeping within the family. Many don't want to communicate to resolve problems, I feel they enjoy the bitterness they eat. Should we then separate from them. If they refuse to resolve the issue.
How will God look at this to our account?
I am asked this question the most on forgiving & forgetting.
Some have toxic ppl in their work place and especially in family.
There seems to be some tug of war rather than score keeping within the family. Many don't want to communicate to resolve problems, I feel they enjoy the bitterness they eat. Should we then separate from them. If they refuse to resolve the issue.
How will God look at this to our account?
Yes, D3v, absolutely. When others shut down our efforts to reconcile, God allows us to love them, pray for them and let them go. At some point we're allowed to protect ourselves and sustain our joy in the Lord.
For example, I find joy in reaching out to a brother or sister across the country and engage in good fellowship, or an activity that I find fun. I like to relax and watch a good game of soccer.
Well.......I do not have a shingle on my door post anymore but I can tell you what I have told married couples over the years.
#1.......Make an honest effort to be reconciled with the other person.
#2.......Forgive daily not just once.
#3.......Pray for the other person.
#4.......STOP thinking about how the person has harmed you. It was yesterday, leave it there.
#5.......Think/Focus on the good things about that other person remembering that you too have faults that harm others.
#6........Don't hold grudges but be thankful for the lessons learned.
In Matthew 6:14-15, “For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.”
Forgive and forget are not together in the bible, however, the concept is that we let the past stay in the past. Stop carrying grudges.
Forgive and forget are not together in the bible, however, the concept is that we let the past stay in the past. Stop carrying grudges.
Thank you all for your wisdom in answering.
Amos 3:3 ( context 1-4 )
Can two walk together except they be agreed?
I have heard this verse taken OUT of context so many times to justify differing interpretations.
The word is not a gun with scripture scattered about like loose bullets to wound and attack but is a soothing balm in the wounds.
Whom must we agree with and about what must we agree?
Your thoughts?
Amos 3:3 ( context 1-4 )
Can two walk together except they be agreed?
I have heard this verse taken OUT of context so many times to justify differing interpretations.
The word is not a gun with scripture scattered about like loose bullets to wound and attack but is a soothing balm in the wounds.
Whom must we agree with and about what must we agree?
Your thoughts?
"Whom must we agree with and about what must we agree?"
That depends entirely who you are talking with and what you are talking about!!!!
Contextually, Amos's “Three sins” represents fullness or completeness; “four” represents an overflow or a sin that is the tipping point for God’s judgment. The word sins or transgressions in Hebrew specifically refers to “rebellions.” The first two chapters of Amos contain eight messages against the nations, including Judah and Israel, condemning them for their rebellion against the Lord.
Each of Amos’s eight messages follows a similar pattern. First, there is the phrase “for three sins . . . even for four.” Second, one or two specific sins are mentioned regarding the nation being addressed. Third, a judgment is given. Amos starts with Israel’s enemies and ends with oracles against Judah and Israel.
First, I tend to sit with how I feel.
Then I ask myself:-
Am I doing anything to make this situation like it is?
Then I try and garner other peoples views, weigh them up, to see if they have any merit.
If I smell a rat, or any bias, it means heading out into the wilderness. So be it.
I would rather take calculated risk these days than go along with something I don’t agree with for the sake of comfort or conformity.
As I've stated I hear this from brethern to brethern bc the they have differing views, interpretations and teachings.
God is speaking to Israel in this book
saying he CANNOT accept that they are not walking in the agreement or covenant he made with them.
He is telling them that they will pay a heavy price for rebellion and worshipping false gods.
He spoke to the ppl of OT times thru the prophets. We can see how longsuffering and how far his mercies reached.
Today we have a covenant with God thru his Son Jesus. Freely it was given to purchase our sin debt.
This must be the same agreement for all BELIEVERS that profess Christ. Instead of ppl always telling others their interpretations are incorrect and causing divisions, we are to bear the STANDARD of LOVE so all will know who we follow.
He speaks from his word to us by the Spirit, thru the 12 Apostles and called preachers.
If we do not accept this agreement,we are none of his.
God is speaking to Israel in this book
saying he CANNOT accept that they are not walking in the agreement or covenant he made with them.
He is telling them that they will pay a heavy price for rebellion and worshipping false gods.
He spoke to the ppl of OT times thru the prophets. We can see how longsuffering and how far his mercies reached.
Today we have a covenant with God thru his Son Jesus. Freely it was given to purchase our sin debt.
This must be the same agreement for all BELIEVERS that profess Christ. Instead of ppl always telling others their interpretations are incorrect and causing divisions, we are to bear the STANDARD of LOVE so all will know who we follow.
He speaks from his word to us by the Spirit, thru the 12 Apostles and called preachers.
If we do not accept this agreement,we are none of his.
Hello Via;
I really love how you articulate your thoughts in Christ, seriously. Your "taking a calculated risk than agreeing for the sake of comfort or conformity." This sinks in and ministers to me.
God bless you, sister and thank you.
Matthew 18:
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Jesus says to keep on forgiving. Obviously, with so many times to forgive the same person, you will remember. So by forgive and forget, I think you really mean forgive and not hold a grudge. In this passage, Peter says "my brother". This would connote this person as a believer. In this case, Jesus also lays out how to handle an offense.
Again Matthew 18:
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
A true brother or sister in Christ should have humility to look at themselves and be circumspect. Admitting one's sin should not be impossible for them.
Someone that offends you and is not a believer should be forgiven, but you are not required to continue in a relationship with them, at least not to the extent that you had previously. There is scripture which describes the relationship with worldly people.
Forgiving is not about letting someone continue to injure you or harm you. That is to be dealt with using these scriptural guides.
Reading this in context with the chapter, this is simply saying, if two are together at the same place and they can't agree on which way to walk and they each go a different direction, then they will not walk together.
God was partnered with Israel and Israel decided to go their own way. They wouldn't walk with God because they didn't agree anymore. They broke the agreement (covenant).
Who must we agree with? Anyone we make an agreement with. The "what" is in the agreement. If you don't have an agreement then you are still negotiating. You can't "walk together" unless you are going the same way. lol
For those that know a bit about me know that I believe William Branham was a man of God.
Briefly, he explains it this way.
There is but one creation account. (For the word is perfect - our understanding is short) Initially Adam was created as a theophany being (let us make man after our likeness). A complete unit being. The second account is when he is placed in a body to tend the garden and the feminish spirit (Eve) was taken from his side...