Well I saw angel as Jesus, not Holy Spirit. But now with your verses in Exodus it does seem like that is the Holy Spirit. I am old, but not yet grey or as wise
, you guys need patience with us younger ones.
Regeneration Precedes Faith?
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, you guys need patience with us younger ones.Jack, show me a scripture that literally says God is partial. You need to supply that as I can supply scripture that literally says God is not
...and that it is a sin. James 2, Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons.Scripture speaking on election, regeneration and pre-destination cannot be read without the volume of scripture clearly stating that God is impartial. Unless you want to accuse God of sin and imitate the devil. 'Jump, it is written that angels will catch you' purposely ignoring 'thou shalt not tempt God'.
I once knew a woman (catholic) who was a good person but had her flaws. But whatever she prayed for always were answered, literallyI can't say I "feel" the holy spirit when I pray but I do think that the longer you pray (thru the years) the better you get. Perhaps that's just getting better to know what to pray for?
I am so incredibly jealous of this ability. I have often wondered why my prayer of healing is not happening. I feel there is something I am doing wrong.
You are doing nothing wrong. God hears the prayer of the righteous John 9:31. If that is you, He hears your prayer just as much as anyone elses.
There are so many who imply that if you dont know x and y or quote a, b and c when you pray, God will not answer your prayer
. The bottom line is God hears all His childrens prayers. We walk in His full provision. He shows no favoritism. He will very likely respond to the dumb and illiterate children first as would I and you as we are / will be, just like God, gooooood parents.You are doing nothing wrong. God hears the prayer of the rightoeus John 9:31. If that is you, He hears your prayer just as much as anyone elses.
There are so many who imply that if you dont know x and y or quote a, b and c when you pray, God will not answer your prayer
Thank you...I just don't understand how some people have luck with prayers and others don't. I think my problem is that I always have a little tiny doubt and for some reason I always have it stuck in my mind that he will not answer my prayers because of my doubt. BTW, the doubt stems from years of praying about the issue until it finally got better, but came back again after beginning to attend church regularly of all things. Anyhow, I do appreciate the encouragement. I have somewhat given up on trying to recover...I've realized it's on His terms.
KingJ: Jack, show me a scripture that literally says God is partial. You need to supply that as I can supply scripture that literally says God is not . James 2; Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons.
JACK: No one has said that God is partial. James 2 is talking about partiality to rich people, because people of wealth were often regarded as also righteous in those days, and that was a fallacy. Christians are not to associate wealth with righteousness. Not all rich people are godly and not all poor people are sinners. Acts 10:34 is talking about partiality between Jew and Gentile, and that can't be because God saves both. So, I'm not sure what you're getting at. It is certainly true that God choose us before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4; 2 Thess. 2:13), and only those people will believe upon Him (Acts 13:48). The reason He chose them, to my knowledge, is never revealed in Scripture.
KINGJ: Scripture speaking on election, regeneration and pre-destination cannot be read without the volume of scripture clearly stating that God is impartial. Unless you want to imitate the evil. 'Jump, it is written that angels will catch you' purposely ignoring 'thou shalt not tempt God'.
JACK: Again, I'm not seeing the link that you see between the texts you cited that there is no partiality with God and the passages dealing with God's salvation. Salvation has nothing to do with personal wealth and it certainly has nothing to do with being an ethnic Jew or a Gentile.
. James 2; Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons.JACK: No one has said that God is partial. James 2 is talking about partiality to rich people, because people of wealth were often regarded as also righteous in those days, and that was a fallacy. Christians are not to associate wealth with righteousness. Not all rich people are godly and not all poor people are sinners. Acts 10:34 is talking about partiality between Jew and Gentile, and that can't be because God saves both. So, I'm not sure what you're getting at. It is certainly true that God choose us before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4; 2 Thess. 2:13), and only those people will believe upon Him (Acts 13:48). The reason He chose them, to my knowledge, is never revealed in Scripture.
KINGJ: Scripture speaking on election, regeneration and pre-destination cannot be read without the volume of scripture clearly stating that God is impartial. Unless you want to imitate the evil. 'Jump, it is written that angels will catch you' purposely ignoring 'thou shalt not tempt God'.
JACK: Again, I'm not seeing the link that you see between the texts you cited that there is no partiality with God and the passages dealing with God's salvation. Salvation has nothing to do with personal wealth and it certainly has nothing to do with being an ethnic Jew or a Gentile.
Well I saw angel as Jesus, not Holy Spirit. But now with your verses in Exodus it does seem like that is the Holy Spirit. I am old, but not yet grey or as wise
God love ya man and so do I. You are a fine christian and I have grown to respect you.
I enjoy trying to teach youngans the Word of God and we all need to realize that arguments and confrontation will always lead to failure to get out the gospel.
If I have in anyway come across less than what you think is acceptable, I do appolgize.
I did a study a while back on this on an interesting point came to mind about ''believing''.
The ''neigbours'' kid needs to believe that you are a good parent. As he needs to come to you to get bandaged. You can't go to him. But your kids do not need to believe surely. They are already your kids (this touches on our other discussion). Hence, whether my kid is nervous or has doubts is irrelevant. I will look after him and I will ''consider'' his requests for his desires.
Well I saw angel as Jesus, not Holy Spirit. But now with your verses in Exodus it does seem like that is the Holy Spirit. I am old, but not yet grey or as wise
King.....if you are referring to the "Angel of the Lord" in Exodus, you are correct, it is the Pre-incarnant Christ.
Life..........remember that God hears and answers all prayers in one of 3 ways....
1. YES
2. NO
3. LATER
I can't say I was jealous, per se, but I have to admit, even to this day, I am not sure of the mechanism. I always went to her when I needed a prayer
The only thing I can say about it was, in her, the power of prayer was extraordinary. I agree that God answers all prayers - we just might not "like" the answer (grin). In the case of "Lucy", she always got what she prayed for.Life says : I am so incredibly jealous of this ability. I have often wondered why my prayer of healing is not happening. I feel there is something I am doing wrong.
I know what you mean, tho, about the "healing" prayers. The answer I get is "you have the ability to heal yourself" which not only makes me feel "guilty" but clueless as to the meaning.
I know what you mean, tho, about the "healing" prayers. The answer I get is "you have the ability to heal yourself" which not only makes me feel "guilty" but clueless as to the meaning.
Jack, I don't know why you down-play James 2. It reads clearly that God sees partiality as a sin. Its not just a circumstantial discussion of the rich.
I pray that one-day you perceive the same truth Peter did in Acts 10:34.
[quoteingJ, post: 276818, member: 6674"]Jack, I don't know why you down-play James 2. It reads clearly that God sees partiality as a sin. Its not just a circumstantial discussion of the rich.
I'm not playing it down at all; I'm merely putting it in its intented context. Surely, you would concede the point that James is talking about the distinction of wealth--he says that very plainly. There was a practice of identifying wealth with righteousness and James is commenting on that evil practice.
I pray that one-day you perceive the same truth Peter did in Acts 10:34.[/quote]
Well, you prayer was answered many years ago. I thoroughly understand the truth that Peter mentioned here. He was commenting on the distinction between Jew and Gentile which was the major controversy of that day. Both can be saved by faith in Christ. That seems like a very obviously conclusion from the reading of the passage.
I'm not playing it down at all; I'm merely putting it in its intented context. Surely, you would concede the point that James is talking about the distinction of wealth--he says that very plainly. There was a practice of identifying wealth with righteousness and James is commenting on that evil practice.
I pray that one-day you perceive the same truth Peter did in Acts 10:34.[/quote]
Well, you prayer was answered many years ago. I thoroughly understand the truth that Peter mentioned here. He was commenting on the distinction between Jew and Gentile which was the major controversy of that day. Both can be saved by faith in Christ. That seems like a very obviously conclusion from the reading of the passage.