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YES it is.

It represents TRIALS and TESTING/PROBATION.

It is the product of FIVE and EIGHT..........5 x 8 = 40.

The number 5 = Grace and the number 8 = New Creation.

The number 40 is mentioned 146 times in the Scriptures.

There are 15 periods of trials that appear on the surface of the Scriptures and are thus classified.

1. There was 40 years of Probation by Trial.
Israel in the wilderness.
Israel from the crucifixon to destruction of Jersulem.


2. There was 40 years of Probation by prosperity in deliverance and rest.
Under Othniel.
Under Barak.
Under Gideon.

3. 40 years of Probation by Prosperity that enlarged the dominion.
Under David.
Under Solomon.
Under Jeroboam II
Under Jehoash
Under Joash

4. 40 years of Probation by Humiliation and Servitude
Israel under the Philistines
Israel in the time of Eli
Israel under Saul

Moses spent 40 years in Egypt.
Moses spent 40 years in the desert.
Moses spent 40 years with Israel in the wilderness.

The spies sent into the land of Canaan were in the land for FORTY days (Numbers 13:18-20).

The reign of Saul was for...………………. 40 years.
The reigh of David was for...... ...…...…...40 years.
The reigh of Solomon was for...……….. 40 years.
Goloiah defied Israel for …………………..40 days.
Nineveh was given ...............……...………..40 days.
Elijah fasted for ..................………………….40 days.
Jesus was tempted for ......…...……...…….40 days.
Jesus appeared after Resurrection for 40 days.

There is lots more but I do not like long posts but this was done to show that God is not HASTY in His judgments and gives all men plenty of time for a fait trial and time to confess and repent.
Not to mention that 40 x 2 = 80; which is actually twice as much as 40.
 
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Revelation 1:5 ..................…
"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,"
I find it fascinating. I regret it took me this long to realize this.

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Revelation 1:5 ..................…
"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,"


Agreed!
In verse #5, John declares that Jesus is Prophet, Priest and King.

"First begotten of the dead" refers to His resurrection.

"ONLY
Begotten" when used refers to His incarnation.

Micah 5:2 and Isaiah 9:6 both state that He (Christ)……………"is from of old, from everlasting to everlasting."

That validates John 1:1-3 which says that Jesus had no beginning. He is equal to the everlasting Father and His love for us is so deep that He gave His own blood for us to be saved.

The blood of Jesus is NOT symbolic but instead is a reality.

When Christ shed His bllod, I for one believe that every single drop came out of His body.

The book of the Revelation should not frighten us too much because of the fact that it is from the ONE who loves us. He did not love us only when He dided on the cross but He also loves us today, right this very minute.
 

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In verse #5, John declares that Jesus is Prophet, Priest and King.

"First begotten of the dead" refers to His resurrection.

"ONLY Begotten" when used refers to His incarnation.

Micah 5:2 and Isaiah 9:6 both state that He (Christ)……………"is from of old, from everlasting to everlasting."

That validates John 1:1-3 which says that Jesus had no beginning. He is equal to the everlasting Father and His love for us is so deep that He gave His own blood for us to be saved.

The blood of Jesus is NOT symbolic but instead is a reality.

When Christ shed His bllod, I for one believe that every single drop came out of His body.

The book of the Revelation should not frighten us too much because of the fact that it is from the ONE who loves us. He did not love us only when He dided on the cross but He also loves us today, right this very minute.
I believe that another way of understanding the message of Micah 5: 2 and Isaiah 9:6 is “so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ,” Ephesians 3:17-18 (NIV)
 
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In verse #5, John declares that Jesus is Prophet, Priest and King.

"First begotten of the dead" refers to His resurrection.

"ONLY Begotten" when used refers to His incarnation.

Micah 5:2 and Isaiah 9:6 both state that He (Christ)……………"is from of old, from everlasting to everlasting."

That validates John 1:1-3 which says that Jesus had no beginning. He is equal to the everlasting Father and His love for us is so deep that He gave His own blood for us to be saved.

The blood of Jesus is NOT symbolic but instead is a reality.

When Christ shed His bllod, I for one believe that every single drop came out of His body.

The book of the Revelation should not frighten us too much because of the fact that it is from the ONE who loves us. He did not love us only when He dided on the cross but He also loves us today, right this very minute.
Revelation 1:5-6
"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

In these two verses we have the titles which are given to the Lord Jesus Christ and notice that there are SEVEN titles. SEVEN (7) is the Bible number for "complete".

1.
"Faithful Witness"------Jesus Christ is the only trustworthy witness to the facts of this book we call the Bible. The facts are about Him. He testifies of Himself.

2.
"First begotten of the dead"------"Firstborn" has to do with resurrection. He is the first to rise from the dead, never to die again. So then, death was a womb which bore Him. He came out of death into life. No one else has come that route yet. However, we who believe him are going to follow Him in resurrection power.

3.
"The Prince (Ruler) of the kings of the earth"----------This title refers to His position during His 1000 year rule that we call the Millennium.

Philippians 2:9-11 validate that fact...…..
"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father."

4.
"Unto Him that loved us"----------That is the PRESENT tense and tells us of His attitude toward us, His own. Jesus did not just love us when He died for us.
He loved us before the Creation was ever done.

5.
"Washed (Loosed) us from our sins in His own blood"------------The blood of Jesus is not a symbol in the book of the Revelation. There are many symbolism in the book, but this is NOT one of them. ALL of the Old Testament sacrifices of animals, and all of the blood they shed was a shadow of what was coming. They were NOT the real thing...……..But the blood of Jesus IS THE REAL THING. It is what the animal sacrifice were pointing to all the way back to Adam and Eve when Jesus killed animals to obtain a covering for the sin of Adam and Eve.

1 Peter 1:18-19...…
"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot".

6.
"And he hathe made us kings and priests unto God and His Father"...…………...Believers are never called KINGS. They are a kingdom of priests and in that sense will rule with Christ.
Jesus comes again as the BRIDEGROOM for His bride which is the company of born again believers. He comes as the lover of our spirits.

7.
"To Him the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. AMEN."-------------- "Forever and forever" can be translated literally as, "Ages of the Ages".
That emphasizes eternity. Christ is the AMEN. That is a title. Jesus Christ is both the subject and the object of the Revelation. HE is the mover of all events and because of that, THERE IS NO SUCH THIN AS A COINSIDENCE.

Jesus is the agent of creation. All things were made by Him, for Him and the universe exists for Him.

Colossians 1:16-17...…….
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
 

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Revelation 1:5-6
"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen
."

In these two verses we have the titles which are given to the Lord Jesus Christ and notice that there are SEVEN titles. SEVEN (7) is the Bible number for "complete".

1.
"Faithful Witness"------Jesus Christ is the only trustworthy witness to the facts of this book we call the Bible. The facts are about Him. He testifies of Himself.

2.
"First begotten of the dead"------"Firstborn" has to do with resurrection. He is the first to rise from the dead, never to die again. So then, death was a womb which bore Him. He came out of death into life. No one else has come that route yet. However, we who believe him are going to follow Him in resurrection power.

3.
"The Prince (Ruler) of the kings of the earth"----------This title refers to His position during His 1000 year rule that we call the Millennium.

Philippians 2:9-11 validate that fact...…..
"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father."

4.
"Unto Him that loved us"----------That is the PRESENT tense and tells us of His attitude toward us, His own. Jesus did not just love us when He died for us.
He loved us before the Creation was ever done.

5.
"Washed (Loosed) us from our sins in His own blood"------------The blood of Jesus is not a symbol in the book of the Revelation. There are many symbolism in the book, but this is NOT one of them. ALL of the Old Testament sacrifices of animals, and all of the blood they shed was a shadow of what was coming. They were NOT the real thing...……..But the blood of Jesus IS THE REAL THING. It is what the animal sacrifice were pointing to all the way back to Adam and Eve when Jesus killed animals to obtain a covering for the sin of Adam and Eve.

1 Peter 1:18-19...…
"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot".

6.
"And he hathe made us kings and priests unto God and His Father"...…………...Believers are never called KINGS. They are a kingdom of priests and in that sense will rule with Christ.
Jesus comes again as the BRIDEGROOM for His bride which is the company of born again believers. He comes as the lover of our spirits.

7.
"To Him the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. AMEN."-------------- "Forever and forever" can be translated literally as, "Ages of the Ages".
That emphasizes eternity. Christ is the AMEN. That is a title. Jesus Christ is both the subject and the object of the Revelation. HE is the mover of all events and because of that, THERE IS NO SUCH THIN AS A COINSIDENCE.

Jesus is the agent of creation. All things were made by Him, for Him and the universe exists for Him.

Colossians 1:16-17...…….
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
This past Saturday, the son and daughter-in-law wanted to stay home, have dinner, and spend the night walking. We talked to around 2am, which did not do much for my Sunday 7am wake-up call for church. One of our conversations, what total submission to God's will. I am afraid that I did not see a great job of explaining it.

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This past Saturday, the son and daughter-in-law wanted to stay home, have dinner, and spend the night walking. We talked to around 2am, which did not do much for my Sunday 7am wake-up call for church. One of our conversations, what total submission to God's will. I am afraid that I did not see a great job of explaining it.

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When that topic comes again, use Genesis 4:1-7 as an example of obedience to God.

Abel and Cain came to the same spot at the same time but brought different offerings. They were told by their parents who got it straight from God about what an acceptable offering to God was. How do we know that is the case???? Because Abel brought the acceptable offering!!!!
But Cain brought a different offering.

WHY?

DISOBEDIENCE!

They were told but Cain did not obey. He brought what he wanted to bring and God rejected it. God rejected it because it was works from him and contained no sacrifice at all. That made Cain angry. God even gave him a 2nd chance but again he refused to obey.

The result was jealousy that fueled anger that led to murder. ALL because he disobeyed his parents.
 
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Revelation 1:7 ......….
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

This verse flashes forward to the 2nd Coming of Christ at Armageddon.

"Every eye shall see Him" is made possible today by world wide tele-communications. Orbiting satellites and computers has made this possible today as never before.

"Clouds" =

Daniels 7:13.....
"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence."

Jude 14...…….
“And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,”

Hebrews 12:1...…..
"Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us,"

"Which pierced Him" = Israel as a nation.

Zech. 12:8-14...……..
"I, God, will begin by restoring the common households of Judah so that the glory of David’s family and the leaders in Jerusalem won’t overshadow the ordinary people in Judah. On the Big Day, I’ll look after everyone who lives in Jerusalem so that the lowliest, weakest person will be as glorious as David and the family of David itself will be godlike, like the Angel of God leading the people.
“On the Big Day, I’ll make a clean sweep of all the godless nations that fought against Jerusalem.

“Next I’ll deal with the family of David and those who live in Jerusalem. I’ll pour a spirit of grace and prayer over them. They’ll then be able to recognize me as the One they so grievously wounded—that piercing spear-thrust! And they’ll weep—oh, how they’ll weep! Deep mourning as of a parent grieving the loss of the firstborn child. The lamentation in Jerusalem that day will be massive, as famous as the lamentation over Hadad-Rimmon on the fields of Megiddo:

Everyone will weep and grieve,
the land and everyone in it:
The family of David off by itself
and their women off by themselves;
The family of Nathan off by itself
and their women off by themselves;
The family of Levi off by itself
and their women off by themselves;
The family of Shimei off by itself
and their women off by themselves;
And all the rest of the families off by themselves
and their women off by themselves.”
 

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Revelation 1:7 ......….
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

This verse flashes forward to the 2nd Coming of Christ at Armageddon.

"Every eye shall see Him" is made possible today by world wide tele-communications. Orbiting satellites and computers has made this possible today as never before.

"Clouds" =

Daniels 7:13.....
"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence."

Jude 14...…….
“And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,”

Hebrews 12:1...…..
"Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us,"

"Which pierced Him" = Israel as a nation.

Zech. 12:8-14...……..
"I, God, will begin by restoring the common households of Judah so that the glory of David’s family and the leaders in Jerusalem won’t overshadow the ordinary people in Judah. On the Big Day, I’ll look after everyone who lives in Jerusalem so that the lowliest, weakest person will be as glorious as David and the family of David itself will be godlike, like the Angel of God leading the people.
“On the Big Day, I’ll make a clean sweep of all the godless nations that fought against Jerusalem.

“Next I’ll deal with the family of David and those who live in Jerusalem. I’ll pour a spirit of grace and prayer over them. They’ll then be able to recognize me as the One they so grievously wounded—that piercing spear-thrust! And they’ll weep—oh, how they’ll weep! Deep mourning as of a parent grieving the loss of the firstborn child. The lamentation in Jerusalem that day will be massive, as famous as the lamentation over Hadad-Rimmon on the fields of Megiddo:

Everyone will weep and grieve,
the land and everyone in it:
The family of David off by itself
and their women off by themselves;
The family of Nathan off by itself
and their women off by themselves;
The family of Levi off by itself
and their women off by themselves;
The family of Shimei off by itself
and their women off by themselves;
And all the rest of the families off by themselves
and their women off by themselves.”
I do not know if this was visible to you, but, last week, an Atlas 5 rocket was launched from the Cape. As I was driving to work, I saw the below and, for a moment, I must admit, I did not know what I was seeing and Revelations did cross my mind. I did not take the attached picture, but many people did pull off I-95 to watch. Tomorrow morning, I will be prepared to not "freak out," as it will be The Perseids meteor shower that will light up the early morning skies.

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Revelation 1:7 ......….
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

This verse flashes forward to the 2nd Coming of Christ at Armageddon.

"Every eye shall see Him" is made possible today by world wide tele-communications. Orbiting satellites and computers has made this possible today as never before.

"Clouds" =

Daniels 7:13.....
"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence."

Jude 14...…….
“And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,”

Hebrews 12:1...…..
"Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us,"

"Which pierced Him" = Israel as a nation.

Zech. 12:8-14...……..
"I, God, will begin by restoring the common households of Judah so that the glory of David’s family and the leaders in Jerusalem won’t overshadow the ordinary people in Judah. On the Big Day, I’ll look after everyone who lives in Jerusalem so that the lowliest, weakest person will be as glorious as David and the family of David itself will be godlike, like the Angel of God leading the people.
“On the Big Day, I’ll make a clean sweep of all the godless nations that fought against Jerusalem.

“Next I’ll deal with the family of David and those who live in Jerusalem. I’ll pour a spirit of grace and prayer over them. They’ll then be able to recognize me as the One they so grievously wounded—that piercing spear-thrust! And they’ll weep—oh, how they’ll weep! Deep mourning as of a parent grieving the loss of the firstborn child. The lamentation in Jerusalem that day will be massive, as famous as the lamentation over Hadad-Rimmon on the fields of Megiddo:

Everyone will weep and grieve,
the land and everyone in it:
The family of David off by itself
and their women off by themselves;
The family of Nathan off by itself
and their women off by themselves;
The family of Levi off by itself
and their women off by themselves;
The family of Shimei off by itself
and their women off by themselves;
And all the rest of the families off by themselves
and their women off by themselves.”
Major, must admit that I am inspired by your teachings here. I am about half-way through re-reading Proverbs, but I think I will put a pin on that and re-read Revelations. I have only read it once and that was a bit ago. I have learned quite a bit since then, so I am motivated by the possibility that my understanding will be greater this time around.

Thanks,

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Major, must admit that I am inspired by your teachings here. I am about half-way through re-reading Proverbs, but I think I will put a pin on that and re-read Revelations. I have only read it once and that was a bit ago. I have learned quite a bit since then, so I am motivated by the possibility that my understanding will be greater this time around.

Thanks,

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Outstanding and I do hope that the things I post will be eye opening and helpful to you.
 
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I saw the Northern Lights, but I didnt have to go all the way to the top of the arctic circle to see them. It was on a dvd.
They are amazing.

However to be there in person would have been an experience. I think thats why the land of Israel is so important even today and why revelation centers on Jerusalem and then the new Jerusalem coming down from Heaven. But am getting ahead of myself.
 
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I saw the Northern Lights, but I didnt have to go all the way to the top of the arctic circle to see them. It was on a dvd.
They are amazing.

However to be there in person would have been an experience. I think thats why the land of Israel is so important even today and why revelation centers on Jerusalem and then the new Jerusalem coming down from Heaven. But am getting ahead of myself.
The Bible portrays Jerusalem as the most important city in the world, and in Scripture it is called the ‘City of God’.

The prophets spoke of the importance of Jerusalem at the end of days, when the eyes of the world would be focused on this city. This is already happening daily in the world’s media. Why? Because God declared that Jerusalem would be a problem for the nations of the world:


Zech. 12:2-3...…….
“Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it.”

Keep your eyes on Jerusalem.


Jerusalem seems to be a time-clock for events of the last days.
 
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There does not seem to be any interest at all on this subject so as of today I am ending this attempt to get some responses and discussion started.
Sorry brother, I am trying to read through revelations to build up my knowledge and make/ask intelligent comments/questions. Much of this book is metaphorical and symbolic.

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Sorry brother, I am trying to read through revelations to build up my knowledge and make/ask intelligent comments/questions. Much of this book is metaphorical and symbolic.

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I will be glad to wait on you and try to answer your questions.

Yes. It is very symbolic.

I believe the Lord chose to render the Book of Revelation in symbols because He knew it was going to be read by 20 centuries of believers and had to be meaningful to all of them. For all that time people who were willing to apply themselves and follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit have been able to figure it out.

Rev. 1:3 says,...….
" Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near."
 
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Hello Major;

This is a good outline of your teaching.

In Revelation 1:1 Jesus was revealing to John the link to many events that will take place, but the important focus is Christ, His unconditional love, power and justice in Revelation. The world deceives our focus of Jesus coming back with trembling and fear instead of the hopes of God's plan for the end of the world.

The link to Revelation in Matthew 24:32-34 is when the fig tree blooms, a metaphor of all the events that will be fulfilled, yet not knowing when the Son of Man will return but how God will make obvious. In the meantime, stand firm and continue serving as the events take place.

The next link to Revelation in Daniel 9:23-27 is the 70 weeks which is interpreted as both the great Tribulation (in the future.) The times and numbers are still God's prophetic time clock as it must happen but as the same time we must remain firm in our faith that God's promises will remain to all who believe and serve Him.

In your teaching, I feel one of the keys of the second coming is if we know when Jesus is coming back, many would take advantage of the timing when to repent to God prior to the end.

God bless you, Major and your family.
I need to understand the Second Coming. I thought the true second coming was not until after the war of Armageddon and he set's up his thrown in the mount of olives? When Christ comes back to get his people, is that what everyone is calling the second coming? I am not trying to be argumentative, I am trying to understand as I heard that when Christ comes for his people it is just that, he is coming for his people, but the second coming is when he literally comes back and set's up his kingdom. Maybe I am wording all of this wrong, but I want to fully understand. I want to say I heard a theologian teach this.
 
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