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I need to understand the Second Coming. I thought the true second coming was not until after the war of Armageddon and he set's up his thrown in the mount of olives? When Christ comes back to get his people, is that what everyone is calling the second coming? I am not trying to be argumentative, I am trying to understand as I heard that when Christ comes for his people it is just that, he is coming for his people, but the second coming is when he literally comes back and set's up his kingdom. Maybe I am wording all of this wrong, but I want to fully understand. I want to say I heard a theologian teach this.
I appreciate your question. It is a good one so do not feel shy or concerned about it.

Actually, according to the Scriptures as I understand them, Jesus comes back TWO more times. The very next time could be at any moment and it is called the "Harpazo" or in the English, The Rapture.

Because of the rules of the site we are not allow ed to go into any discussion on this event. However there is no rule against posting Scripture. You will find the Rapture in 1 Corth 15:51-54 and 1 Thess. 4:13-17. It is not so much if there is going to be a Rapture but the arguments come about on WHEN it will take place.

This event according to the Scriptures I posted for you, is when Jesus comes in the clouds but does not come to the earth physically. He removes the born again believers and then In MY personal opinion comes back at His 2nd Coming 7 years later at Armageddon and it is then that He comes to earth PHYSICALLY and stands on the Mt. of Olives fulfilling Zech. 14:1-2.

It is actually the 3rd phase of the 1st Resurrection.

If you would like to PM me I will be glad to discuss this with you privately.
 

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I need to understand the Second Coming. I thought the true second coming was not until after the war of Armageddon and he set's up his thrown in the mount of olives? When Christ comes back to get his people, is that what everyone is calling the second coming? I am not trying to be argumentative, I am trying to understand as I heard that when Christ comes for his people it is just that, he is coming for his people, but the second coming is when he literally comes back and set's up his kingdom. Maybe I am wording all of this wrong, but I want to fully understand. I want to say I heard a theologian teach this.
Right now, I am knee deep in Revelations; almost to the point of an infatuation. I am going through it one line at a time. Almost everything is symbolic.

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Right now, I am knee deep in Revelations; almost to the point of an infatuation. I am going through it one line at a time. Almost everything is symbolic.

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I took a class on Revelations from a theologian. He teaches line by line, which in my opinion, is the only and best way to do it. The class started big, and of course, became so small. They canceled the class and we only made it through around chapter 5 - 6. I was so disappointed. It's such a great book full of deep understanding that I could benefit from.
 
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I took a class on Revelations from a theologian. He teaches line by line, which in my opinion, is the only and best way to do it. The class started big, and of course, became so small. They canceled the class and we only made it through around chapter 5 - 6. I was so disappointed. It's such a great book full of deep understanding that I could benefit from.
For the sake of research, I'll been looking around an interesting site on the subject: https://revelationofjesuschrist.wordpress.com/revelation-historical-timeline/

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I took a class on Revelations from a theologian. He teaches line by line, which in my opinion, is the only and best way to do it. The class started big, and of course, became so small. They canceled the class and we only made it through around chapter 5 - 6. I was so disappointed. It's such a great book full of deep understanding that I could benefit from.
I agree.

I am NOT a "theologian". However, I have spent many years in the study of eschatology. If you think I can help you please ask me.
 

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I am going to blame your keyboard.
Thank you. It is a semi evil keyboard. Since the N and the S are a little far away from each other, I might have to hake the hit for this one. Several years ago, I had to write a report on an incident that happened in Key West, in particular, a small island called "Duck" Island. Will not go into greater detail, but I suggest you look at your keyboard and to the immediate right of the letter D. Thank God that my pre-publishing review caught the 6 times I hit the wrong key.

Have a blessed week.

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There is much debate as to whether the rapture is pre tribulation, or post tribulation. It really doesn't matter much to me, as our salvation is key :)
Praise God in all his beautiful glory, great mercy, loving kindness, and for our salvation through his Son Jesus Christ~ Amen

Different churches teach different things as far as the book of Revelation is concerned. I like reading all views.
 
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I think theres about four different views of revelation that Ive come across. I dont really hold dogmatically to either one. Some make more sense to me than others, but yea the important thing is Jesus bringing us salvation.

there IS a happy ending, Good ultimatley triumphs over evil is the main message of Revelation. Well thats what I got from it!
 
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There is much debate as to whether the rapture is pre tribulation, or post tribulation. It really doesn't matter much to me, as our salvation is key :)
Praise God in all his beautiful glory, great mercy, loving kindness, and for our salvation through his Son Jesus Christ~ Amen

Different churches teach different things as far as the book of Revelation is concerned. I like reading all views.
You are correct. My I say to you that the one discipline that allows for all the pieces to fit together perfectly is the "Pre-Tribulation Rapture".

The others all require some "fitting" and manipulation in order to work.
 
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