One thing I did notice about the Jews concerning the end times is that they're looking for a human man to appear as such. This places them in the perfect position to be deceived.....for a while. This is why I thought the anti-christ might be Jewish. I can't see them following anyone else. But, I have seen the Jews so weary of war maybe they will even accept a muslim stepping forward with promises to allow a rebuilt temple as enough enticement to submit. Thoughts?
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yes but the Jews have betrayed each other throughout history. Even in the nazi camps they betrayed each other. Even with that said though, you're probably right. The AC will most likely not be jewish.
I know I am very late in this thread, but I have some thoughts I'd like to share.
For one, there are too many Christians consumed with end times conspiracy and trying to figure out the dates and the events of prophecy. They say this is the mark or that is the mark, or that this is the beast or that is the beast. The truth is that we won't truly know until it happens or God himself tells us. Most prophecy is very symbolic and isn't understood until after the fact.
Also, I am so dissapointed that many Christians are on the "Beast/Mark watch" so to speak, hoping they don't accidentally accept the mark and go to hell. I'd like to ask them to consider the power of Christ as savior if say inserting a chip in your skin can remove his work on your behalf. Ridiculous... Revelations is a warning to unbelievers, we as children of the almighty God have NOTHING to fear. We have no wrath or punishment to fear!
As far as who I think the beast is, I'd say Islam. But honestly, I am more concerned about the gospel than I am about who or what the beast is.
For one, there are too many Christians consumed with end times conspiracy and trying to figure out the dates and the events of prophecy. They say this is the mark or that is the mark, or that this is the beast or that is the beast. The truth is that we won't truly know until it happens or God himself tells us. Most prophecy is very symbolic and isn't understood until after the fact.
Also, I am so dissapointed that many Christians are on the "Beast/Mark watch" so to speak, hoping they don't accidentally accept the mark and go to hell. I'd like to ask them to consider the power of Christ as savior if say inserting a chip in your skin can remove his work on your behalf. Ridiculous... Revelations is a warning to unbelievers, we as children of the almighty God have NOTHING to fear. We have no wrath or punishment to fear!
As far as who I think the beast is, I'd say Islam. But honestly, I am more concerned about the gospel than I am about who or what the beast is.
I think? I already posted the 3 strains of thoughts as to where the AC comes from: 1) The tribe of Dan. You will notice that Dan is not mentioned in Revelations as one of the 12 tribes remnant. They were symbolized as the serpent tribe. The Naked Archeologist has an interesting video on the tribe of dan and the possible geography of the bloodline which includes Greece, Assyria and other places I have since forgot. 2) Daniel's (Book of) 4th Empire Rome. People forget that Rome had an eastern leg (Constantinople) and a western leg (Rome). So they think in terms of Rome and a European AC 3) The Assyrian. It is conceivable that all 3 could be connected bloodlines if you think eastern leg instead of Rome. I go with Ham's bloodline.
I find all of scripture fascinating and I love to talk God. These warnings, given in scripture are important and I like discussing them, but I agree with @Cosmicwaffle that we are told to look first and foremost for Christ in coming events and those unbelievers should have the fear not us. Sometimes we clarify our understanding by using comparison. What is of God and what is not, both have to be defined.
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There are several of the saints who have spoken at length about the anti-christ.
He will be born of an apostate Jewess of the tribe of Dan.
He will be born in Babylon, but will spend his youth in Capernaum and Chorazin.
He will rise quickly to positions of power, he will make Jerusalem his capitol city, and will rule the world from there.
He will perform false miracles and claim that he is the chosen one of God.
He will be born of an apostate Jewess of the tribe of Dan.
He will be born in Babylon, but will spend his youth in Capernaum and Chorazin.
He will rise quickly to positions of power, he will make Jerusalem his capitol city, and will rule the world from there.
He will perform false miracles and claim that he is the chosen one of God.
Can you present the scriptural references for these (at least the first two) claims?
Samson had a thing for Phillistine women and he was from the tribe of Dan. Gen_49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. The Naked Archaeologist indicates that Dan were a migrant, sea faring (Song of Deborah) people who may have gone to Sardinia (Italy) and mingled with other middle eastern peoples. It's possible that someone from the bloodline of Dan could be the AC. I saw somewhere where they mingled, too with the Assyrians. I don't see a practicing Jew as the AC tho. 3 and a half years into the tribulation, we are told, that the AC comes from elsewhere to Jerusalem to take charge there. He makes a treaty with the Jews, implying he is not of them.
If I understand the scriptures correctly, we'll never know who the AC is, so it doesn't matter. I'll be proved wrong when/if the Two Witnesses show up and CNN covers them, as after 3.5 years they're killed by the AC and lie dead for 3.5 days while the world rejoices and sends gifts. Then they're raised from the dead and are lifted up to heaven, live on TV. They preach for 1260 days and the day they are killed the woman is told to flee to the wilderness for 1260 days. Combined that's 7 years. Those that claim the seals are broken, etc. are wrong if the presences of the Two Witnesses is missing... and don't forget, there also has to be a temple or at the very least a tabernacle.
um. We do know who the antichrist is - as there are many, but Bible warns us about the anti-christ. If we did not need that wisdom whats the point of saying it in scripture. If we are not here why do we need to know?
Also, somebody cannot be an anti-christ if there is none of Jesus Christs witnesses and followers to be anti- about.
Also, somebody cannot be an anti-christ if there is none of Jesus Christs witnesses and followers to be anti- about.
We won't be here when the Antichrist rises to full power. "Anti" doesn't mean he is "against" Christians, but is against Christ as King, as he seeks to claim Kingship for himself. Satan is always seeking to dethrone God. With the Church absent from the world scene, he will have a clear path to his rise to world domination, for if we were still here, we could put a definite dent in his rise to fame---being the carriers of the authority of Christ in the world.
The Tribulation is the short time God will be using to finish up His agenda for Israel, and Antichrist will also be paying much attention to Israel as well, trying to eradicate her.
just meditating on this chapter
2 Thessalonians Chapter 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given [us] everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
2 Thessalonians Chapter 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given [us] everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
elsewhere in scripture we know who the son of perdition is. It was Judas.
Now, in our own time there have been Judas type people in our midst. But it is revealed to us who they are by Jesus words. Remember there was a falling away when Jesus was sent to be crucified...and the disciples did find out that Judas betrayed Jesus.
Now, in our own time there have been Judas type people in our midst. But it is revealed to us who they are by Jesus words. Remember there was a falling away when Jesus was sent to be crucified...and the disciples did find out that Judas betrayed Jesus.