The Mark of The Beast pt1
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The mark of the beast is Sunday worship enforced by law. The beast is the papacy, and the mark of his authority is the changing of God's law.
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Blessings
FCJ
Blessings
FCJ
Hi. The beast is the papacy. The mark of his authority ie the mark of the beast is his attempted change of God's law. When it shall be required by national law that we rest on Sunday- the day which the pope has sanctified and which is not God's Sabbath of the 4th commandment or we cannot buy or sell and finally on pain of death, then that will be the mark of the beast.
This is true
Although I wanted to build a foundation first before letting the"cat out of the bag." Some people still cannot bare it. Nevertheless, time is running out and His sheep will hear His voice. Blessings,
MoG
I hear you. We need divine tact. God bless.
Do you believe that somebody ALREADY attempted to "change the law and the times?
Changing times, what does it mean? How about law?
Can you explain the 4th beast that came out the sea and the 5th beast that came out of the earth?
That 5th beast places the mark.
Revelation 13:16-17
Buy or sell WHAT?
So if you have the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name, then you can buy or sell WHAT?
I believe that finding an answer to WHAT, will give us a clue to answering verse 17.
If you have any (or) of those 3 things, then you can buy or sell.
So what is the meaning of:
1. Having the name of the beast?
2. Having the number of his name?
This beast is the "Image" of the beast that comes out of the sea.
What is the meaning of "BEAST"?
It seems to be of human government here on earth.
Like an EMPIRE.
What empire was alive at that time? The Roman Empire.
Daniel 7:23
Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, ...
This fourth beast has:
A. Teeth of iron,
B. Nails of brass,
C. Devoured & broke things in pieces.
To do that you have to posses brut force and a great army:
THE ROMAN EMPIRE
LET'S SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF THIS.
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Changing times, what does it mean? How about law?
Can you explain the 4th beast that came out the sea and the 5th beast that came out of the earth?
That 5th beast places the mark.
Revelation 13:16-17
Buy or sell WHAT?
So if you have the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name, then you can buy or sell WHAT?
I believe that finding an answer to WHAT, will give us a clue to answering verse 17.
If you have any (or) of those 3 things, then you can buy or sell.
So what is the meaning of:
1. Having the name of the beast?
2. Having the number of his name?
This beast is the "Image" of the beast that comes out of the sea.
What is the meaning of "BEAST"?
It seems to be of human government here on earth.
Like an EMPIRE.
What empire was alive at that time? The Roman Empire.
Daniel 7:23
Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, ...
This fourth beast has:
A. Teeth of iron,
B. Nails of brass,
C. Devoured & broke things in pieces.
To do that you have to posses brut force and a great army:
THE ROMAN EMPIRE
LET'S SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF THIS.
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Why a Part 1?
Is there something special on Part 2?
Should it be only one part?
Could you explain your intention to have 2 parts?
I may want to participate on Part 2 if the discussion gets more juicy, eventhough here I see a lot of disagreement coming out of discussions out of the same book.
It seems that everybody is making their own INTERPRETATION of what has been written. So if we have 2 billion people in the world, we will get 2 billion interpretations. (Going to an extreme)
The problem is that our human nature is centered on the self: me, me, and only me.
My advice is that we should have empathy with the writer. We should put ourselves on His shoes.
So how can we do this?
We should pay attention to HIS ENTIRE MESSAGE.
We should read the message several times.
His message has been translated, for our convenience, in the English language.
The original OT was in Hebrew.
The NT was in Greek and in Arameic, the language that Jesus spoke. (Some people say that this is the language spoken in Heaven)
The translations also have problems that derail you from getting to know the ONLY TRUTH.
Do you want to know the Truth, then
READ THE BIBLE WITH AN OPEN MIND
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Is there something special on Part 2?
Should it be only one part?
Could you explain your intention to have 2 parts?
I may want to participate on Part 2 if the discussion gets more juicy, eventhough here I see a lot of disagreement coming out of discussions out of the same book.
It seems that everybody is making their own INTERPRETATION of what has been written. So if we have 2 billion people in the world, we will get 2 billion interpretations. (Going to an extreme)
The problem is that our human nature is centered on the self: me, me, and only me.
My advice is that we should have empathy with the writer. We should put ourselves on His shoes.
So how can we do this?
We should pay attention to HIS ENTIRE MESSAGE.
We should read the message several times.
His message has been translated, for our convenience, in the English language.
The original OT was in Hebrew.
The NT was in Greek and in Arameic, the language that Jesus spoke. (Some people say that this is the language spoken in Heaven)
The translations also have problems that derail you from getting to know the ONLY TRUTH.
Do you want to know the Truth, then
READ THE BIBLE WITH AN OPEN MIND
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Hey Brother,
Your on the right track. Dan 2, 7 , 8 and the two beast in Rev 13 and the Whore and the beast with 7 heads in Rev 17 are parallel chapters with Dan 2 serving as a template for all of prophecy. In Dan 2 if you remember, you have the head of gold, arms of silver, thighs of brass, legs of iron and the feet of iron and clay. Many, including the scholarly community (for those who give weight to those things) are pretty much in unison pertaining to the identity of the first four metals. The four kingdoms in the statue are Babylon (Gold), the Medes and the Persians (Silver), Greece (Brass), and Rome (Iron). When you get to the foot of the statue you have a mixture of Iron and Clay. The common interpretation of these feet are divided Rome, which composes modern Europe and parts of the mid East and Northern Africa. Here is where it gets interesting because the Iron (Rome) remains in the feet until the rock cut without hands smashes it in the feet. Let's consider the verses.
Dan 7:
42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. -Here the Kingdom of Rome , unlike the previous kingdoms mentioned, was never conquered but fell from within. It says the kingdom was partly strong and partly broken. History affirms this point.
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. - This verse is telling us that there will be various attempts at unity and history testifies to this point. The Kings of Europe often tried to unite Europe by marriage or conquest. You have Napoleon who almost succeeded in conquest but failed at England. And of course, who could forget Adolf Hitler. No doubt the European Union comes to mind as well (a brainchild of Roman Catholicism incidentally), which as we can see with BREXIT and other things, also failed.
But let us now jump back to verse 41,
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
Here we have two forms of clay. One is potters clay, the other is miry clay. What is symbolized by Potters Clay?
Isa 64:8 - But now, O Lord, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
Jer 18:6 - O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
Potters clay represents Christ followers, or the church. So when you see the feet combining potters clay with Iron, what the bible is telling us is that we have a combination of church craft and state craft. Does history affirm this? Did Rome ever unite with Christianity? As surely as God lives we know that to be the case.
Now we have a foundation. If you go to Dan 7, which discusses the 4 beast, you already pointed out correctly that the 4th beast represents Rome. Do we see church craft in that 4th beast? Do you have any thoughts on this?
Blessings,
MoG
Thank you for your remarks.
I know I do because I follow the word of God and not the deceptions.
We need to analyze EVERYTHING including those "little details" that will open up you eyes.
SALVATION IS A MATTER OF FRIENDSHIP
If you really become an "intimate" friend with Jesus, He will let you know His secrets, intimate friends do that, and friends trust each other and if you trust Jesus,
YOU'LL KNOW THE TRUTH
AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
ARE YOU WILLING TO BE FREE????
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I know I do because I follow the word of God and not the deceptions.
We need to analyze EVERYTHING including those "little details" that will open up you eyes.
SALVATION IS A MATTER OF FRIENDSHIP
If you really become an "intimate" friend with Jesus, He will let you know His secrets, intimate friends do that, and friends trust each other and if you trust Jesus,
YOU'LL KNOW THE TRUTH
AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
ARE YOU WILLING TO BE FREE????
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Try the Bold Feature
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Have a great day
FCJ
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Rom 13:1 — Rom 13:5
Respect for Authority
13 Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you. The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience.
When you accepted and agreed to the rules of this forum, you chose to submit yourself to the governing authorities of this forum, therefore we fall under God's Word of Romans 13:1-5
Blessings of grace and peace be yours in abundance
Hatred for the Catholic church seems to hold no bounds and that is very sad to me as a Catholic.
Blessings,
There is nothing in the Word of God that substanciates this claim. Jesus is the only one who has a right to judge His servants, for He can make them stand or fall.
Have a very blessed day !
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