What Does Baptism Mean To You

[Ricko1]

Nothing about Salvation per se.Just about The Water and the blood shown in that verse

 

[Major]

Christ will accept those who obey and follow all his teachings and commands, including Water Baptism in His Name. If Someone truly " Accepts Jesus" he/ she will also accept everything with it..

I love you guys. All of you that are working so very hard to prove and establish the idea that one must be baptized in order to be saved. I love your zeal and you doggedness in standing up for what you believe is right.

unfortunately, and I know this is going to hurt and make you angry but I must say this to you. Your opinions on this subject say to me that you have not done a lot of soul winning. Maybe you have presented the gospel but not had a lot of results. I can understand why when you include the baptism as A MUST DO to be saved.

Gentlemen, I have been at this for many, many years now. I have presented the gospel more times than I can remember. In no way am I bragging about this because I have never saved one single person. I present the gospel and the Holy Spirit does the saving. My point is, IF you had been a soul winner and been to the hospital beds of sick and dying children and told their parents that we have to get this 10 year old girl baptized because the blood shed by the Lord Jesus is not enough to get their child saved, so that she would go to heaven, I am positive that by now some one would have killed you.

If you had been to the bed of a dying grandmother, with her children (6), grandchildren (15), and looked those people in the eye and said what you are saying here on the web site, that her statement of faith was not enough and we have to get her up off her death bed and down to the swimming pool to baptize her......they would have killed you as well.

That grandmother, after her children had prayed for her for YEARS accepted Christ right there on her death bed. Her children wept with crocodile tears of appreciation to God for HIs wonderful grace. I was able to lead her to Christ, turn to her children and tell them that according to the Word of God, their mother would be waiting for them in heaven. She died the next day.

I have presented the gospel to thousands of men going into battle. None of them were baptized before the battle because of time constraints and locational problems (Being shot at). Some lost there lives fighting in those battles but accepted the Lord before they went into battle. Would you then write to the family and say that ...............
"I wish I could tell you that your son went to heaven when he died, but the fact is, he did not get baptized before he was shot and killed".

THINK about what you are saying and believing my brothers. Do you really believe that God expects a person on their death bed to also get wet to validate their statement of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ?????

Come on guys........

 

[Major]

Nothing about Salvation per se.Just about The Water and the blood shown in that verse

But what was the point for it??????

I do not get it!

 

[Major]

Of course the Law of Moses could save: if they fulfilled it! There is ONE that did fulfill it, and we (the Church) are made "...the righteousness of God in Him."
The Old Testament has been replaced by a better covenant: one that anyone can fulfill, of they will only believe. Now if some will live according to the Law of Moses, they could also be saved under it. If they full it! If they cannot, then they could repent and submit to the New Testament: and put themselves under the Law of Grace.
Baptism has always been required: but in the OT, it was called "washings". Folks had to wash their garments, or their faces, or their hands and feet, etc. They were continual washings. Today, there is "...one Lord, one faith, one baptism...". We are not called to be baptized many times, but only once.
As for John the Baptist: he was "...the one crying in the wilderness, makes His paths straight...": the precursor to Jesus Christ. The main reason John was baptizing, was to be the witness for "...the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world." John baptized because: "...but that He should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water...He that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me: 'Upon whom you shall see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is He which baptizes with the Holy Spirit.' " That was a sign for John, and not for us: but that we may believe the witness of John, which is: "Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world."
Christ was able to forgive sins because mercy was the mainstay of the OT, even as the Holy Spirit (Grace) is the mainstay of the New Testament!

NO SIR! You are very wrong. I do not mean to be a thorn in your side by not agreeing you but this is just not right.

You said and I quote you........"Of course the Law of Moses could save: if they fulfilled it"!

That is incorrect totally!

The Law of God never saved anyone because it was not given to offer salvation my friend.
The law provided two ways for man to approach God through his own works: by obedience to the commandments.

Justification comes by faith not by works! God takes pleasure in us not based upon our own righteousness; instead, he takes pleasure in us based upon Jesus’ righteousness.

Rom. 5:1
“Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ”.

Since we are already justified, we should rejoice during the present; right standing with God is not some future reality in the “by and by.” God loves us because He is love; not because we are lovely.

1 John 2:2
“God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” (Rom 5:8). And, this is not just true for Christians, “and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world” .

In both the Old and New Test. God's people were saved by grace alone. God is holy, and thus, fallen humanity was never saved by observing the Law. In both the Old and New Testament era God's standard for us remains the same: perfect righteousness, so at all times we would have to keep the Law perfectly to earn our own redemption and win God's acceptance. The Law is therefore, not meant to save but rather strip us of all hope of looking to self for salvation, a tutor to lead us to Christ (Gal 3:24) for it condemns each of us exposing the deep roots of our sinful nature and thus our desperate need for a Savior. But Christ alone fulfilled all righteousness (Matt 3:15), a sinless savior who died and counts His people free from the condemnation of the Law.

Rom. 3:19-20
"Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin."

Gal. 3:22
"But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe."

 

[Major]

Off Subject. Wanted to address Catholics on this site if I may.

Be wary of your new Pope, Francis. When the mainstream media Exhalts this man...be careful. The World Media as a general rule hates or downplays Christianity. Bible believers are portrayed as " Nut Jobs" but.a man dressed in a white vestment as seen as a " Hero". Ask yourselves this question; How much was Jesus revered in his day? Was he ever exalted by the world in general in his time? Yes The people Loved him for all the good he was doing..But the rulers, especially the religious leaders hated and despised him. Did the rulers in Jesus' Day come visit him to seek his blessings and advice, like World leaders visit the Pope? Well?

You need to start a new thread.............but it will probably not be tolerated for very long as I can promise you it will get very volatile.

 

[Major]

People just love to argue, when everything is laid out pure and simple to follow. They would rather argue and not do it the simple way taught as in Acts 2 v 38. Because simply their particular church they attend does not teach or believe in it, so to those who won' t follow the guidelines, their church means more then the gospel of Jesus. Therefore they will die in their sins one day..

Rick.........God love ya my brother, but it may also be that some are actually in a church that teaches denominational theology and not Biblical theology.

 

[Candelario Mario Villa]

YOU are!

Do not be silly by asking such silly questions as "am I ashamed of the name of Jesus."

Anyone, anyone including you who say that something must be added to the gospel in order to be saved is a Judaizer.

NO! Baptism is not a part of the gospel.

You are just angry because no one has ever said that to you before.

Any time you add anything to grace you no longer have grace. Romans 11:5-6 5.......
"Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work."

Baptism is a command of the Lord Jesus Christ which identifies us with Him. A person gets baptized because he is already saved, not in order to be saved. Christians are baptized in loving obedience to the Lord and because they want to identify with His death, burial and resurrection in the prescribed manner in which God taught us.

Actually this is such a silly argument I can hardly believe I got into it again. You see, “Believer’s Baptism” practiced today, even by groups who believe baptism is necessary for salvation, was not introduced until after the death of Jesus on the cross. I know you will agree to that, simply because e it is a Bible fact and a historical fact.

So then, Before that, you had John the Baptist baptizing unto repentance which was very different than believer’s baptism introduced after the cross of Jesus. Therefore, if believer’s baptism practiced after the cross of Jesus was necessary for salvation, as you are claiming, then it would have been necessary for saints before the cross to be baptized by the same baptism.

If not, then you would need to have two different gospels of salvation. One for those before the cross who did not have “Believers baptism”, and a different one for those after the cross who did. By accepting the false teaching that baptism is necessary in order to be saved, you are then forced to accept that there are at least two different gospels whereby souls are saved.

So then, how many gospel are there where by a soul can be saved?

We are making something out of nothing here and I hope we do not get too much our of control. I did not mean to upset you by the name I used, I just thought you knew what a Judiazer was. Since you did not know, apparently, I am sorry it offended you. My suggection would be to get rid of the opinion that we must be baptized to saved and no one will call you a Judiazer again.

There were two methods of salvation! The OT (before the cross), and the NT (after the cross). No one could fulfill the salvation that was offered in the OT, because no one (save Jesus Christ) could keep all its law, statutes, and ordinances. And yes, there was a baptism unto repentance, and the washings (in the Law) were types and figures of that baptism which was to come.
"After the cross", I take it, you mean after the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus. In denying water baptism, you are [seeming] to assume that the Apostle Peter was out of order (not full of the Holy Spirit) when he exclaimed, "Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." I would have to assume that you believe that the preachers in your denomination are more obedient and more holy than the twelve men whom the Lord Jesus chose to promulgate the gospel!
"But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice...".
As for Judaizer: I am not preaching to lead men back to the Law of Moses. I am fulfilling my duty as a Christian. I proclaim the gospel of the Lord, because (1) I have it; and (2) I know it. After all, a man cannot give what he doesn't have, nor explain what he doesn't know!
Some will say, Brother Villa was invited to a church and was indoctrinated into thinking that way. No, I was not. I already believed what I had learned of the Lord, and the Holy Spirit confirmed my gospel through two different pastors who had no knowledge of each other. Yes. I said my gospel! I learned it of the Lord, and I embraced it with all my heart. Is is MY gospel: it was that gospel that was preached by the apostles Peter and Paul, and John. And I, as a member of the Church (the Body of Christ), have been doing "...the work of the ministry...", after having been "...edified...". I do not follow after man, nor seek the honor of the denominations.

 

[Ricko1]

I love you guys. All of you that are working so very hard to prove and establish the idea that one must be baptized in order to be saved. I love your zeal and you doggedness in standing up for what you believe is right.

unfortunately, and I know this is going to hurt and make you angry but I must say this to you. Your opinions on this subject say to me that you have not done a lot of soul winning. Maybe you have presented the gospel but not had a lot of results. I can understand why when you include the baptism as A MUST DO to be saved.

Gentlemen, I have been at this for many, many years now. I have presented the gospel more times than I can remember. In no way am I bragging about this because I have never saved one single person. I present the gospel and the Holy Spirit does the saving. My point is, IF you had been a soul winner and been to the hospital beds of sick and dying children and told their parents that we have to get this 10 year old girl baptized because the blood shed by the Lord Jesus is not enough to get their child saved, so that she would go to heaven, I am positive that by now some one would have killed you.

If you had been to the bed of a dying grandmother, with her children (6), grandchildren (15), and looked those people in the eye and said what you are saying here on the web site, that her statement of faith was not enough and we have to get her up off her death bed and down to the swimming pool to baptize her......they would have killed you as well.

That grandmother, after her children had prayed for her for YEARS accepted Christ right there on her death bed. Her children wept with crocodile tears of appreciation to God for HIs wonderful grace. I was able to lead her to Christ, turn to her children and tell them that according to the Word of God, their mother would be waiting for them in heaven. She died the next day.

I have presented the gospel to thousands of men going into battle. None of them were baptized before the battle because of time constraints and locational problems (Being shot at). Some lost there lives fighting in those battles but accepted the Lord before they went into battle. Would you then write to the family and say that ...............
"I wish I could tell you that your son went to heaven when he died, but the fact is, he did not get baptized before he was shot and killed".

THINK about what you are saying and believing my brothers. Do you really believe that God expects a person on their death bed to also get wet to validate their statement of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ?????

Come on guys........

Is it easier to skip over the truth and they find out you never told them the real truth and stand before Jesus at the Great White Throne Judgement? Or concern yourself of being truthful and let God deal with them through The Holy Ghost at the time of you witnessing? " For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesup Christ....."

 

[Candelario Mario Villa]

I love you guys. All of you that are working so very hard to prove and establish the idea that one must be baptized in order to be saved. I love your zeal and you doggedness in standing up for what you believe is right.

unfortunately, and I know this is going to hurt and make you angry but I must say this to you. Your opinions on this subject say to me that you have not done a lot of soul winning. Maybe you have presented the gospel but not had a lot of results. I can understand why when you include the baptism as A MUST DO to be saved.

Gentlemen, I have been at this for many, many years now. I have presented the gospel more times than I can remember. In no way am I bragging about this because I have never saved one single person. I present the gospel and the Holy Spirit does the saving. My point is, IF you had been a soul winner and been to the hospital beds of sick and dying children and told their parents that we have to get this 10 year old girl baptized because the blood shed by the Lord Jesus is not enough to get their child saved, so that she would go to heaven, I am positive that by now some one would have killed you.

If you had been to the bed of a dying grandmother, with her children (6), grandchildren (15), and looked those people in the eye and said what you are saying here on the web site, that her statement of faith was not enough and we have to get her up off her death bed and down to the swimming pool to baptize her......they would have killed you as well.

That grandmother, after her children had prayed for her for YEARS accepted Christ right there on her death bed. Her children wept with crocodile tears of appreciation to God for HIs wonderful grace. I was able to lead her to Christ, turn to her children and tell them that according to the Word of God, their mother would be waiting for them in heaven. She died the next day.

I have presented the gospel to thousands of men going into battle. None of them were baptized before the battle because of time constraints and locational problems (Being shot at). Some lost there lives fighting in those battles but accepted the Lord before they went into battle. Would you then write to the family and say that ...............
"I wish I could tell you that your son went to heaven when he died, but the fact is, he did not get baptized before he was shot and killed".

THINK about what you are saying and believing my brothers. Do you really believe that God expects a person on their death bed to also get wet to validate their statement of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ?????

Come on guys........

Major, who has said that baptism, of itself, saves? That is what you are reading into the true gospel: and it says no such thing! Jesus said (was He also a Judaizer?), "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved." The Apostle Peter (a Judaizer?), full of the Holy Spirit, said, "Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ...For this promise is unto you..and to your children...Then they that gladly heard the word were baptized..."
Major, I (speaking only for myself) am not preaching to anyone on their deathbed, nor in a battlefield. I am proclaiming the gospel to them that are able to hear, and have been given the power to "...choose life, that both you and your seed may live."
So how was Abraham justified before God? Abraham believed God's promise: he did not just believe that there was a God. Again, Abraham believed God's promise!
What promise are we called to believe? "Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is unto you, and to your children, to them that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our god shall call."

 

[Major]

There were two methods of salvation! The OT (before the cross), and the NT (after the cross). No one could fulfill the salvation that was offered in the OT, because no one (save Jesus Christ) could keep all its law, statutes, and ordinances. And yes, there was a baptism unto repentance, and the washings (in the Law) were types and figures of that baptism which was to come.
"After the cross", I take it, you mean after the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus. In denying water baptism, you are [seeming] to assume that the Apostle Peter was out of order (not full of the Holy Spirit) when he exclaimed, "Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." I would have to assume that you believe that the preachers in your denomination are more obedient and more holy than the twelve men whom the Lord Jesus chose to promulgate the gospel!
"But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice...".
As for Judaizer: I am not preaching to lead men back to the Law of Moses. I am fulfilling my duty as a Christian. I proclaim the gospel of the Lord, because (1) I have it; and (2) I know it. After all, a man cannot give what he doesn't have, nor explain what he doesn't know!
Some will say, Brother Villa was invited to a church and was indoctrinated into thinking that way. No, I was not. I already believed what I had learned of the Lord, and the Holy Spirit confirmed my gospel through two different pastors who had no knowledge of each other. Yes. I said my gospel! I learned it of the Lord, and I embraced it with all my heart. Is is MY gospel: it was that gospel that was preached by the apostles Peter and Paul, and John. And I, as a member of the Church (the Body of Christ), have been doing "...the work of the ministry...", after having been "...edified...". I do not follow after man, nor seek the honor of the denominations.

I realize that you are not trying to lead men back to the law. I got that feeling at the beginning from. But my brother, what you are advocating........."Baptism a must for salvation:" is exactly what Paul wrote to the Galatiians about. They had believers in the church who were Jews, converted, and were insisting that in ADDITION to the work of Jesus Christ on the cross, the church had to incorporate the Jewis rituals into the act of salvation itself. I believe that you j=know that to be the truth.

Those men were called "Judiazers".

You now say...........quotes Acts 2:38
"In denying water baptism, you are [seeming] to assume that the Apostle Peter was out of order (not full of the Holy Spirit) when he exclaimed, "Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

First of all, you are adding to what I said. I never said....
."In denying water baptism, you are [seeming] to assume that the Apostle Peter was out of order.

You just said that not me. I have said and will still say "THAT WATER BAPTISM IS NOT NECESSARY FOR SALVATION".
I recommend it, advice it, did and will do it for others, but it is not a requirement for being saved.

Then secondly, the usage of Acts 2:38 must be understood that it was originally stated as a message to Israel concerning their national crime of murdering their Messiah. I know you knew that but said just to be sure we are on the same page.

It is wrong exegesis and very unwise to try and link water baptism with the forgivness of sins for nowhere do the Scriptures teach that salvation is dependent on being baptized.

1 Corth. 1:17
"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect".

Do you see that my brother???? Do you not understand that is exactly what you are doing here???

1 Corth, 15:1-4
"Moreover brethren I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you which also ye have received and wherein ye stand,
By which also ye are saved if ye keep in memory what I have preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received. how that CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES; AND THE HE WAS BURIED AND THAT HE ROSE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES".

Nothing there from Paul about being baptized in his explination of the gospel my brother.

You wanted Scriptures. Well there are some, and I am wondering how they will be "spiritualized" away.

Now as for YOUR gospel. If it does not conform to the Bible's explaination as seen right above this posting.........then you already know what I will say.

 

[Candelario Mario Villa]

I realize that you are not trying to lead men back to the law. I got that feeling at the beginning from. But my brother, what you are advocating........."Baptism a must for salvation:" is exactly what Paul wrote to the Galatiians about. They had believers in the church who were Jews, converted, and were insisting that in ADDITION to the work of Jesus Christ on the cross, the church had to incorporate the Jewis rituals into the act of salvation itself. I believe that you j=know that to be the truth.

Those men were called "Judiazers".

You now say...........quotes Acts 2:38
"In denying water baptism, you are [seeming] to assume that the Apostle Peter was out of order (not full of the Holy Spirit) when he exclaimed, "Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

First of all, you are adding to what I said. I never said....
."In denying water baptism, you are [seeming] to assume that the Apostle Peter was out of order.

You just said that not me. I have said and will still say "THAT WATER BAPTISM IS NOT NECESSARY FOR SALVATION".
I recommend it, advice it, did and will do it for others, but it is not a requirement for being saved.

Then secondly, the usage of Acts 2:38 must be understood that it was originally stated as a message to Israel concerning their national crime of murdering their Messiah. I know you knew that but said just to be sure we are on the same page.

It is wrong exegesis and very unwise to try and link water baptism with the forgivness of sins for nowhere do the Scriptures teach that salvation is dependent on being baptized.

1 Corth. 1:17
"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect".

Do you see that my brother???? Do you not understand that is exactly what you are doing here???

1 Corth, 15:1-4
"Moreover brethren I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you which also ye have received and wherein ye stand,
By which also ye are saved if ye keep in memory what I have preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received. how that CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES; AND THE HE WAS BURIED AND THAT HE ROSE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES".

Nothing there from Paul about being baptized in his explination of the gospel my brother.

You wanted Scriptures. Well there are some, and I am wondering how they will be "spiritualized" away.

Now as for YOUR gospel. If it does not conform to the Bible's explaination as seen right above this posting.........then you already know what I will say.

I confess: my gospel does not conform to denominational teachings. But I know this: the gospel in me (repentance, baptism, and Holy Spirit), corresponds to the death, burial, and resurrection that the Apostle Paul proclaimed in I Cor. 15:1-4. Beloved, I do not condemn anyone, for that is not the will of the Lord. But we preach that those who hear will attend unto the words of the apostles and prophets of the Lord Jesus. Again, we are not (I hope) in a deathbed nor battlefield situation. Are you saying that one can"accept" the Lord Jesus and reject the gospel at the same time, and "be saved"? That is what I am hearing. Would you ask me to reject the words of the Lord Jesus, and Peter, and Paul?

 

[Major]

Major, who has said that baptism, of itself, saves? That is what you are reading into the true gospel: and it says no such thing! Jesus said (was He also a Judaizer?), "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved." The Apostle Peter (a Judaizer?), full of the Holy Spirit, said, "Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ...For this promise is unto you..and to your children...Then they that gladly heard the word were baptized..."
Major, I (speaking only for myself) am not preaching to anyone on their deathbed, nor in a battlefield. I am proclaiming the gospel to them that are able to hear, and have been given the power to "...choose life, that both you and your seed may live."
So how was Abraham justified before God? Abraham believed God's promise: he did not just believe that there was a God. Again, Abraham believed God's promise!
What promise are we called to believe? "Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is unto you, and to your children, to them that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our god shall call."

I do not mean to be argumentative or to even be confrontation. However you said in comment #31............

"The first witness is the Lord Jesus, himself, who stated: "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved."
So the promise of salvation (shall be) is to those who believe and are baptized".

So we see by your own words that YOU said baptism saves!!!

 

[Major]

Circumcision in the OT was the Forerunner of NT Repentance and Water Baptism...Your heart receives Circumcision now.

Rick.........are you kidding me my brother????

Where did you get such a belief?

 

[Major]

I confess: my gospel does not conform to denominational teachings. But I know this: the gospel in me (repentance, baptism, and Holy Spirit), corresponds to the death, burial, and resurrection that the Apostle Paul proclaimed in I Cor. 15:1-4. Beloved, I do not condemn anyone, for that is not the will of the Lord. But we preach that those who hear will attend unto the words of the apostles and prophets of the Lord Jesus. Again, we are not (I hope) in a deathbed nor battlefield situation. Are you saying that one can"accept" the Lord Jesus and reject the gospel at the same time, and "be saved"? That is what I am hearing. Would you ask me to reject the words of the Lord Jesus, and Peter, and Paul?

Now we are getting somewhere. All of this back and forth to get to ...............

"]I confess: my gospel does not conform to denominational teachings. But I know this: the gospel in me (repentance, baptism, and Holy Spirit), corresponds to the death, burial, and resurrection that the Apostle Paul proclaimed in I Cor. 15:1-4. "

I hate this stuff, going back and forth to find truth. You just said in comment #193.........
"Major, who has said that baptism, of itself, saves? That is what you are reading into the true gospel".

Now read what you just posted in this comment...........
"I confess: my gospel does not conform to denominational teachings. But I know this: the gospel in me (repentance, baptism, and Holy Spirit)".

It is about right here when my little 8 year old grandson would have said........"Duh"!

 

[Ricko1]

I confess: my gospel does not conform to denominational teachings. But I know this: the gospel in me (repentance, baptism, and Holy Spirit), corresponds to the death, burial, and resurrection that the Apostle Paul proclaimed in I Cor. 15:1-4. Beloved, I do not condemn anyone, for that is not the will of the Lord. But we preach that those who hear will attend unto the words of the apostles and prophets of the Lord Jesus. Again, we are not (I hope) in a deathbed nor battlefield situation. Are you saying that one can"accept" the Lord Jesus and reject the gospel at the same time, and "be saved"? That is what I am hearing. Would you ask me to reject the words of the Lord Jesus, and Peter, and Paul?

 

[Major]

What ????

 

[Ricko1]

Rick.........are you kidding me my brother????

Where did you get such a belief?

When you get Baptized as taught in Acts 2 v 38/ John 3 v 3 &5 Your heart gets circumcised instead of your privates. It is commonly taught in Churches who teach the correct Baptismal Formula. I have also showed you in First Peter, when he associates the saving of those on Noah' s Ark to a water baptism salvation. Peter stated " Likewise as Water Baptism now SAVES us"....are you saying Apostle Peter, The one Jesus gave the " Keys" unto in Matthew 16 does not know what he is saying?
Puleeeeeeeze!!!!

 

[Candelario Mario Villa]

I do not mean to be argumentative or to even be confrontation. However you said in comment #31............

"The first witness is the Lord Jesus, himself, who stated: "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved."
So the promise of salvation (shall be) is to those who believe and are baptized".

So we see by your own words that YOU said baptism saves!!!

Please do not misquote me. I have never said that baptism by itself saves. The promise is in the words [shall be]. Jesus said, "He that believes AND is baptized shall be saved." Neither Jesus, nor I, said "He that is baptized shall be saved." So was the Lord Jesus in error when he promised salvation to "He that believes and is baptized..."?

 

[Major]

I confess: my gospel does not conform to denominational teachings. But I know this: the gospel in me (repentance, baptism, and Holy Spirit), corresponds to the death, burial, and resurrection that the Apostle Paul proclaimed in I Cor. 15:1-4. Beloved, I do not condemn anyone, for that is not the will of the Lord. But we preach that those who hear will attend unto the words of the apostles and prophets of the Lord Jesus. Again, we are not (I hope) in a deathbed nor battlefield situation. Are you saying that one can"accept" the Lord Jesus and reject the gospel at the same time, and "be saved"? That is what I am hearing. Would you ask me to reject the words of the Lord Jesus, and Peter, and Paul?

I love you brother, but you know the answer to the questions you are asking me. Come on.

I have been very clear here for several years not just since you came on board. And by the way, once we get past this baptize thing, I think we will have a great time conversing....but

One can not reject the gospel and accept Christ as they are the same thing. Accepting Christ IS ACCEPTING THE GOSPEL and if you are hearing something different than that, then it is YOUR problem of hearing or better said reading.What ever YOUR gospel is, where you have included baptism is simply not taught in the Scriptures as I have already posted them for you.

Now as for the hospital or battlefield. No one can just fluff that off with the answer......
." Again, we are not (I hope) in a deathbed nor battlefield situation. "

All of life is a battlefield my brother. We are in hand to hand combat with the devil over the souls of humanity! IT IS A WAR and millions of people are saved in combat and in hospitals. That is what we do as soul winners and preachers. We go to where the battle is whether it is in a home, a pew, a school, hospital or war zone.

I am not asking you to reject Peter, or Paul or Jesus or James. I am asking you to believe them and put aside something as silly as having to be wet to be saved.

 

[Ricko1]

I love you brother, but you know the answer to the questions you are asking me. Come on.

I have been very clear here for several years not just since you came on board. And by the way, once we get past this baptize thing, I think we will have a great time conversing....but

One can not reject the gospel and accept Christ as they are the same thing. Accepting Christ IS ACCEPTING THE GOSPEL and if you are hearing something different than that, then it is YOUR problem of hearing or better said reading.What ever YOUR gospel is, where you have included baptism is simply not taught in the Scriptures as I have already posted them for you.

Now as for the hospital or battlefield. No one can just fluff that off with the answer......
." Again, we are not (I hope) in a deathbed nor battlefield situation. "

All of life is a battlefield my brother. We are in hand to hand combat with the devil over the souls of humanity! IT IS A WAR and millions of people are saved in combat and in hospitals. That is what we do as soul winners and preachers. We go to where the battle is whether it is in a home, a pew, a school, hospital or war zone.

I am not asking you to reject Peter, or Paul or Jesus or James. I am asking you to believe them and put aside something as silly as having to be wet to be saved.

Actually when he remarked " Not being so silly to believe Water Baptism Saves anyone" is when he showed his true colors so to speak. You can show him verse after verse and he still won' t believe it. So it is sort of a car on Ice you spin your wheels trying to show him to no avail. Jesus tells us not to " Throw your pearls to the Swine"
perfect fit for this situation...oink, oink..