What Does Baptism Mean To You

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Brother David said:
The book of James tells us that even the devils believe in one God and tremble........So, Major- are the devils saved ?
Where in the Bible do people get the idea that our salvation comes from our acceptance of Christ ?(He doesn't need us to accept Him)
One MUST humble himself and come to God with a Godly sorrow and repent, and seek God's mercy........ And ask God to help him to be acceptable to Him.
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David......I am surprised that you of all people would ask such a question.

One would think that if the demons believed all these things, they would be saved. But there are some very important elements you left out of their belief.

The first thing that is left out is love and faith. The demons have no love for God or faith in His precious promises. They show only contempt for His sovereignty and righteousness.

Second, the demons know that Jesus is a savior; they just don’t know Him as their savior. Remember the demon possessed girl of Acts 16:16-18? This girl followed Paul and Silas many days, proclaiming "...these men are the servants of the most high God which show unto us the way of salvation."

Finally Paul, being grieved in his spirit, turned and rebuked the evil spirit, commanding it to depart. This was an evil spirit proclaiming where the truth was! This may sound very remarkable, but we must remember that demons know all of the truth; they just don’t believe any of it.

True faith will always be evidenced by an undying love for God and the truth taught in His Holy Word. There will be fruit of that love in the form of works that magnify God, not the bearer of the fruit.
 
Ravindran said:
This introduces lot of questions for me! If people can be saved by the law, what stops a person from being saved by the law in NT era? If baptism was not required until cross, why John the Baptist was baptising people in water? How Christ was able to forgive peoples sin when he was alive? (If they were to be saved by the law)
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Rav.......you are correct my brother. What our friends are believing in and their agenda is the belief of the "JUDIZERS".

In effect, they are saying that the sacrifice of Jesus was not enough to save man so WE must add to that the keeping of the law and or baptism.

This is not new and in fact Paul's epistle to the Galatians was to correct such error.
 
People just love to argue, when everything is laid out pure and simple to follow. They would rather argue and not do it the simple way taught as in Acts 2 v 38. Because simply their particular church they attend does not teach or believe in it, so to those who won' t follow the guidelines, their church means more then the gospel of Jesus. Therefore they will die in their sins one day..
 
Ricko1 said:
People just love to argue, when everything is laid out pure and simple to follow. They would rather argue and not do it the simple way taught as in Acts 2 v 38. Because simply their particular church they attend does not teach or believe in it, so to those who won' t follow the guidelines, their church means more then the gospel of Jesus. Therefore they will die in their sins one day..
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I think the only question is the motive.. There is no question on whether we must do something or not..

Should one be baptised in water? Yes.. Should one give tithes? Yes.. Should one obey the moral laws? Yes.. Are all these things done to be saved? No.. These will be done by a believer as a result of being saved..

We are justified by faith and faith alone.. Nothing we do can declare us righteous to the Lord..
 
You are doing the Apples and oranges comparison bit again. Jesus forgave and promised the thief on the cross eternal salvation because Jesus, being God Almighty he could do this..Just like people who were never Asked to be baptized by the old Jewish covenant were saved out of their solid belief and trust in God. They were saved for loyalty and belief. Jesus was still alive when he told the thief, " This day thou shalt be with me in paradise". Since Jesus died before the thief, he could promise him eternal salvation without being baptized. The Bible tells us clearly how to enter into the Body of Christ ( His Church) we must go by what it says to do no matter what our favorite chosen Church Assembly teaches.

Obedience is the key to salvation. Blind Faith in what the Bible teaches. If we don' t believe it we will die lost, very simply.
 
Why was Apostle Paul concerned about being a " Castaway" if he did not follow the exact teachings? (read: I Corinthians 9 v 27). Agreed, after we undergo conversion we are saved by grace. But that does not mean we have a license to keep sinning over and over, nor cherry pick which scriptures apply to us, and which ones we don'"t personally agree with....Obedience is better then Sacrifice saith The scripture.
 
Daniel Rush said:
You just described the Catholic Church apostacy and blasphemy exactly. Water is just water, if you fail to accept Christ as your savior...you just got wet.
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I hear what you are saying. Jesus must ACCEPT US after we follow his guidelines. If we try it at other way but his way, his teachings, his commands, we are deceiving ourselves. Water Baptism is symbolic of His Death, Burial, and Resurrection. We get Baptized in Jesus' Name because he is the Bridegroom and his Church and those in it, are his bride.
 
Off Subject. Wanted to address Catholics on this site if I may.

Be wary of your new Pope, Francis. When the mainstream media Exhalts this man...be careful. The World Media as a general rule hates or downplays Christianity. Bible believers are portrayed as " Nut Jobs" but.a man dressed in a white vestment as seen as a " Hero". Ask yourselves this question; How much was Jesus revered in his day? Was he ever exalted by the world in general in his time? Yes The people Loved him for all the good he was doing..But the rulers, especially the religious leaders hated and despised him. Did the rulers in Jesus' Day come visit him to seek his blessings and advice, like World leaders visit the Pope? Well?
 
Ravindran said:
This introduces lot of questions for me! If people can be saved by the law, what stops a person from being saved by the law in NT era? If baptism was not required until cross, why John the Baptist was baptising people in water? How Christ was able to forgive peoples sin when he was alive? (If they were to be saved by the law)
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Of course the Law of Moses could save: if they fulfilled it! There is ONE that did fulfill it, and we (the Church) are made "...the righteousness of God in Him."
The Old Testament has been replaced by a better covenant: one that anyone can fulfill, of they will only believe. Now if some will live according to the Law of Moses, they could also be saved under it. If they full it! If they cannot, then they could repent and submit to the New Testament: and put themselves under the Law of Grace.
Baptism has always been required: but in the OT, it was called "washings". Folks had to wash their garments, or their faces, or their hands and feet, etc. They were continual washings. Today, there is "...one Lord, one faith, one baptism...". We are not called to be baptized many times, but only once.
As for John the Baptist: he was "...the one crying in the wilderness, makes His paths straight...": the precursor to Jesus Christ. The main reason John was baptizing, was to be the witness for "...the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world." John baptized because: "...but that He should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water...He that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me: 'Upon whom you shall see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is He which baptizes with the Holy Spirit.' " That was a sign for John, and not for us: but that we may believe the witness of John, which is: "Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world."
Christ was able to forgive sins because mercy was the mainstay of the OT, even as the Holy Spirit (Grace) is the mainstay of the New Testament!
 
Major said:
I hear you and understand what you are saying....but I believe that you are leaving out something.

You say that the thief got saved because he died under the Old Covenant but that is not true because the bible tells us that Jesus died before the two thieves died. If Jesus had not died before them then his legs would had to be broken.

The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other. But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. John 19:32-33

If Jesus died before them then the thief on the cross got saved under the New Covenant because the bible tells us that a covenant takes place when the testator dies. From the second he or she dies then the covenant is in full effect.

Heb. 9:15-17...........
For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living.​
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You are quite correct. What I was pointing to was that the thief was forgiven under the OT, and prior to the resurrection. Therefore, although the thief repented, he did not have to be baptized or receive the Holy Spirit as the New Testament Church (seeing the Holy Spirit was given about ten days later).
 
Major said:
Rav.......you are correct my brother. What our friends are believing in and their agenda is the belief of the "JUDIZERS".

In effect, they are saying that the sacrifice of Jesus was not enough to save man so WE must add to that the keeping of the law and or baptism.

This is not new and in fact Paul's epistle to the Galatians was to correct such error.
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Who is a Judaizer? Does the NAME of Jesus in the waters of baptism offend you? Did Jesus not say, "...make disciples of all nations, baptizing them..."? Again, "He that believes AND is baptized shall be saved."???? Is baptism not a part of the Gospel Well, maybe not to many in this forum, or elsewhere.
Yes! I do have an agenda ( I cannot speak for anyone else). It is to preach the full gospel message "...by which you are saved, if you keep in memory what I have preached unto you, unless you have believed in vain." I preach repentance, baptism in water, and the NAME "...that is above every name that is named." These correspond to the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord and Savior. Take away anyone of those elements, and there is no gospel!
 
Ravindran said:
I think acceptance of Christ has some heavy meaning behind it.. Even devils accept Jesus as Lord.. Even people from other religions consider Jesus as one of the gods! Acceptance means accepting Christ as savior.. Accepting our sinful nature and realizing we need a divine savior. This is what Christ enforced all through his ministry. If we read the gospels closely
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Show me some Bible sir...........Where did they "Accept" Christ ? Not in your own words, But explicit scripture please.
 
Brother David said:
Show me some Bible sir...........Where did they "Accept" Christ ? Not in your own words, But explicit scripture please.
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Christ will accept those who obey and follow all his teachings and commands, including Water Baptism in His Name. If Someone truly " Accepts Jesus" he/ she will also accept everything with it..
 
Candelario Mario Villa said:
Who is a Judaizer? Does the NAME of Jesus in the waters of baptism offend you? Did Jesus not say, "...make disciples of all nations, baptizing them..."? Again, "He that believes AND is baptized shall be saved."???? Is baptism not a part of the Gospel Well, maybe not to many in this forum, or elsewhere.
Yes! I do have an agenda ( I cannot speak for anyone else). It is to preach the full gospel message "...by which you are saved, if you keep in memory what I have preached unto you, unless you have believed in vain." I preach repentance, baptism in water, and the NAME "...that is above every name that is named." These correspond to the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord and Savior. Take away anyone of those elements, and there is no gospel!
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YES....YES.....YES
Blood, Water, and Spirit / Death, Burial. Resurrectio
2 Corinthians 4:3
King James Version (KJV)
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
 
Candelario Mario Villa said:
Who is a Judaizer? Does the NAME of Jesus in the waters of baptism offend you? Did Jesus not say, "...make disciples of all nations, baptizing them..."? Again, "He that believes AND is baptized shall be saved."???? Is baptism not a part of the Gospel Well, maybe not to many in this forum, or elsewhere.
Yes! I do have an agenda ( I cannot speak for anyone else). It is to preach the full gospel message "...by which you are saved, if you keep in memory what I have preached unto you, unless you have believed in vain." I preach repentance, baptism in water, and the NAME "...that is above every name that is named." These correspond to the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord and Savior. Take away anyone of those elements, and there is no gospel!
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YOU are!

Do not be silly by asking such silly questions as "am I ashamed of the name of Jesus."

Anyone, anyone including you who say that something must be added to the gospel in order to be saved is a Judaizer.

NO! Baptism is not a part of the gospel.

You are just angry because no one has ever said that to you before.

Any time you add anything to grace you no longer have grace. Romans 11:5-6 5.......
"Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work."

Baptism is a command of the Lord Jesus Christ which identifies us with Him. A person gets baptized because he is already saved, not in order to be saved. Christians are baptized in loving obedience to the Lord and because they want to identify with His death, burial and resurrection in the prescribed manner in which God taught us.

Actually this is such a silly argument I can hardly believe I got into it again. You see, “Believer’s Baptism” practiced today, even by groups who believe baptism is necessary for salvation, was not introduced until after the death of Jesus on the cross. I know you will agree to that, simply because e it is a Bible fact and a historical fact.

So then, Before that, you had John the Baptist baptizing unto repentance which was very different than believer’s baptism introduced after the cross of Jesus. Therefore, if believer’s baptism practiced after the cross of Jesus was necessary for salvation, as you are claiming, then it would have been necessary for saints before the cross to be baptized by the same baptism.

If not, then you would need to have two different gospels of salvation. One for those before the cross who did not have “Believers baptism”, and a different one for those after the cross who did. By accepting the false teaching that baptism is necessary in order to be saved, you are then forced to accept that there are at least two different gospels whereby souls are saved.

So then, how many gospel are there where by a soul can be saved?

We are making something out of nothing here and I hope we do not get too much our of control. I did not mean to upset you by the name I used, I just thought you knew what a Judiazer was. Since you did not know, apparently, I am sorry it offended you. My suggection would be to get rid of the opinion that we must be baptized to saved and no one will call you a Judiazer again.
 
Brother David said:
YES....YES.....YES
Blood, Water, and Spirit / Death, Burial. Resurrectio
2 Corinthians 4:3
King James Version (KJV)
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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What does this mean?

It says nothing about being baptized to be saved as has been said.

John 19:34 says..........
"But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side and forth with came there out blood and water."

Blood and water that had accumulated inside the body of Jesus was released with the puncture wound of the spear.

What in the world has that got to do with being baptized to be saved.

Are you guys reading what you write before posting it?????????
 
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