Ten Tribes of Israel - Are You Among Their Number?

[harriet]

They broke the conditional Mosaic Covenant but the Covenant given to Abraham was unconditional...

Jeremiah 31:31-37 (NASB) "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." Thus says the LORD, Who gives the sun for light by day And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar; The LORD of hosts is His name: "If this fixed order departs From before Me," declares the LORD, "Then the offspring of Israel also will cease From being a nation before Me forever." Thus says the LORD, "If the heavens above can be measured And the foundations of the earth searched out below, Then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel For all that they have done," declares the LORD.

"."And so, all Israel shall be saved" and the Israel if God turned out to

They broke the conditional Mosaic Covenant but the Covenant given to Abraham was unconditional...

Jeremiah 31:31-37 (NASB) "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." Thus says the LORD, Who gives the sun for light by day And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar; The LORD of hosts is His name: "If this fixed order departs From before Me," declares the LORD, "Then the offspring of Israel also will cease From being a nation before Me forever." Thus says the LORD, "If the heavens above can be measured And the foundations of the earth searched out below, Then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel For all that they have done," declares the LORD.

 

[harriet]

"."And so, all Israel shall be saved" and the Israel if God turned out to

Notice God said he wouldn't cast off ALL the offspring of Israel in Jeremiah 31? And yes, Paul describes it well in Romans 9-11 who is Israel.

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, Romans 9:6

Paul opened his argument with a clear signal that he was redefining "Israel."
As far as the who, "all Israel" here as referring to the remnant of the house of Israel and the remnant of the house of Judah and all the believing Gentiles. The "all" here is the all of those "who call on him."
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. Romans 10:12. This is "all Israel."

In sum, Paul said that part of Israel was hardened and the Gentiles obtained riches. That part of national Israel will NEVER be unhardened. They
would come into judgment for their sins.

 

[bobinfaith]

Romans 3:27-31 KJV

27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

The above establishes the Law on the basis of faith rather than works.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Keep in mind the above verse referenced "justified." That does not mean the Law of faith is cast aside, as many seem to assume.

29 [Is he] the God of the Jews only? [is he] not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30 Seeing [it is] one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

See? We establish the Law of God through faith. THAT is the life in the Law that Christ lived before all men when He ushered in a new administration. The Spirit of the Law is alive, and gives life, while the letter kills.

And what has happened by way of churchianity discarding the Law of Faith by ignoring it, and even teaching that fulfillment is a doing away of it?

That's like a snake eating its own tail, thinking that it will nourish itself....by eating itself.

Many of you have known these verses for years, and yet most never seem to allow any of it to take root into their lives. You know them....but it's not until you realize that you are of.....Israel - Ephraim, that you may be set free. There is that inner tug some feel, but just haven't figured out from where it's coming, and to where it's leading.

Either those verses mean what they say, or they don't. Chruchianity has transliterated the word of God into oblivion, and to the destruction of many who blindly follow.

Legalism is dead wrong, and must be avoided at all costs, lest one fall under the curse as did the Pharisees.

Notice God said he wouldn't cast off ALL the offspring of Israel in Jeremiah 31? And yes, Paul describes it well in Romans 9-11 who is Israel.

Paul opened his argument with a clear signal that he was redefining "Israel."
As far as the who, "all Israel" here as referring to the remnant of the house of Israel and the remnant of the house of Judah and all the believing Gentiles. The "all" here is the all of those "who call on him."
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. Romans 10:12. This is "all Israel."

In sum, Paul said that part of Israel was hardened and the Gentiles obtained riches. That part of national Israel will NEVER be unhardened. They
would come into judgment for their sins.

Hello Musicmaster and Harriet;

After reading yours and everyone's posts In this topic, I have a question regarding my background in the here and now.

With my personal family history in the United States going back to 1900, I'm a mix and always wondered how I'm aligned with the peoples from the tribes and gentiles and how did they find their way to my ancestors?

Where do I start? It would be nice if I could keep in it in the realm Biblically but to be honest I don't have the answers but I do care!

I don't know if I want to invest in an ancestry tree because I don't want to pay for any next level of services.

Brothers and sisters, where would you start?

 

[harriet]

What are you looking for? Ancestry.com would probably only go back to 1900 anyway.

To me, it doesn't matter about what Paul calls " useless genealogies "
Doesn't matter. If one is not a Messianic Jew, well their better off seeking Jesus as a fulfillment of their faith , rather than trying to change God mind about who will be saved at the end of their life.

 

[Lanolin]

Being female its not like I am physically circumcised. (Unless you count spiritual circumcision of the heart)

My brother was into geneology and family history but they only count the males in Chinese family trees. All I know is my family name is very common. I don't think it's in any danger of dying out.

As Abraham's covenant was to his seed, there are zillions of descendants as many as stars in the sky and grains in the sand. Who can count them? We enter it by faith via the blood of Jesus.

 

[Lanolin]

Apparently a lot of Jewish descendants changed their names so as not to appear Jewish in the countries they were exiled to. I think you'll find a lot of Hollywood actors did that too. Otherwise they were relegated to live in the ghettoes.
And of course, many Jews were rounded up in the atrocities of the Holocaust.

Required reading - Diary of Anne Frank and The Hiding Place by Corrie Ten Boom.

Esther in the book of Esther could 'pass' for Persian but she was actually Jewish. She changed her name as did Daniel when he was in Babylon. Moses also was raised amongst Egyptians in Egypt.

But all of these people KNEW their identity because God kept reminding them about Himself.

 

[crossnote]

Notice God said he wouldn't cast off ALL the offspring of Israel in Jeremiah 31? And yes, Paul describes it well in Romans 9-11 who is Israel.

Paul opened his argument with a clear signal that he was redefining "Israel."
As far as the who, "all Israel" here as referring to the remnant of the house of Israel and the remnant of the house of Judah and all the believing Gentiles. The "all" here is the all of those "who call on him."
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. Romans 10:12. This is "all Israel."

In sum, Paul said that part of Israel was hardened and the Gentiles obtained riches. That part of national Israel will NEVER be unhardened. They
would come into judgment for their sins.

Ok, that's a far cry from God casting them off altogether...

Romans 11:11,18,25,29 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.

do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.

For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

 

[bobinfaith]

What are you looking for? Ancestry.com would probably only go back to 1900 anyway.

To me, it doesn't matter about what Paul calls " useless genealogies "
Doesn't matter. If one is not a Messianic Jew, well their better off seeking Jesus as a fulfillment of their faith , rather than trying to change God mind about who will be saved at the end of their life.

I could read and research but may go back to Lubbock, Texas and inquire about my birth dna genetic, ethnic and ancestry makeup. That may be a good start.

 

[crossnote]

Then, like myself, there are ones who are a by-product of a one night stand and have only 1/2 a genealogy but only known to God.

 

[Major]

The Chinese have their own diaspora all over the world just as the Jews/Hebrews did.

I'd definitely know if I was Hebrew, even if I didn't speak the language by the traditions, food, culture etc. And apparently physical characteristics, like 'the Hebrew nose" are a giveaway.

But what the Chinese did or had happen has nothing to do with the subject.

 

[Musicmaster]

If it weren't for the RCC we wouldn't, (Protestants) wouldn't even have the Bible friend!

Umm, I wouldn't go that far, to limit the Power of God in that manner...in that the RCC was the only source among many to have preserved what we have today. That's just too presumptuous to my understanding.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Perhaps I didn't word it correctly. My point is that without the Catholics we wouldn't have Christianity. Crusades and all.
You don't agree?

Wouldn't have Christianity? Wow. These are some seriously foreign claims to me thinking...almost as if they're presumed to be deific in origin....

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Not referring to the old testament. The Messianic Jews wrote the N.T. However, Jewish people didn't advance the gospel after that because Biblical Israel ended in AD70, with the last days of the Jewish covenant. God was done with Israel but some are failing to recognize it.
Most of Israel broke the everlasting covenant and only those of "true Israel" were blessed. Jew and Gentile in Christ.
Key word, "Christ." Why don't you see "the holocaust" in Revelation, or before? You jump to God coming back for Israel's remaining ones for salvation!? Friend, if God was still for Israel of the flesh, then why did He allow the holocaust on them, and where is it prophesied in the scripture? It's just not there.
My point is simple. If we didn't have Catholics to advance Christianity, we wouldn't have any Protestantism to protest about.

Ahh, I see. Replacement theology. This smacks of Reformed thinking. Seen this before, and have long since come to an understanding of its many, many fallacies.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Either way, the 10 tribes of Israel were already forgotten by God for breaking their "everlasting covenant"
Only 1/3 that were even left from 2 tribes were preserved and refined through fire. (Zechariah 12 -14)
Deuteronomy 28 I think, and the curses for Israel in their end times.

You don't know us very well.

But, hey, that's ok. This kind of anti-Semitic sentiment toward us is something I've grown accustomed to over the years.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Notice God said he wouldn't cast off ALL the offspring of Israel in Jeremiah 31? And yes, Paul describes it well in Romans 9-11 who is Israel.

Paul opened his argument with a clear signal that he was redefining "Israel."
As far as the who, "all Israel" here as referring to the remnant of the house of Israel and the remnant of the house of Judah and all the believing Gentiles. The "all" here is the all of those "who call on him."
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. Romans 10:12. This is "all Israel."

In sum, Paul said that part of Israel was hardened and the Gentiles obtained riches. That part of national Israel will NEVER be unhardened. They
would come into judgment for their sins.

I'm not only a bloodline descendent of the tribes of Israel, but also grafted in among all other true believers, being no better nor worse than all the rest. I love my fellow branches who are all grafted into the Divine Vine. I'm an Israeli-Gentile mix. My bones have become reconstituted with sinews, tendon, ligaments and flesh.

We are ALL the bones that will one day all be reconstituted with tissue and called forth unto life by Yahweh from that valley, to once again become a united kingdom, the two sticks having been joined back together into one.

So, yes, there will still be bloodline-mixed Israelis like myself in the overall mix, which is exactly the mix the Lord wanted for us to still be the nations of Israel, both in blood and in spirit. They work together in tandem.

Replacement theologies within the handful of those reformed cults that subscribe to that stuff, they are so very riddled with fallacies that they don't really deserve mention for the specifics. Suffice it to say that that the scriptures, when read for what they say without the colored lenses of pre-conceived eschatologies, are an amazing read in themselves.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Hello Musicmaster and Harriet;

After reading yours and everyone's posts In this topic, I have a question regarding my background in the here and now.

With my personal family history in the United States going back to 1900, I'm a mix and always wondered how I'm aligned with the peoples from the tribes and gentiles and how did they find their way to my ancestors?

Where do I start? It would be nice if I could keep in it in the realm Biblically but to be honest I don't have the answers but I do care!

I don't know if I want to invest in an ancestry tree because I don't want to pay for any next level of services.

Brothers and sisters, where would you start?

Bob, I found mine by tracing my grandparents on both sides. On my dad's side, my grandmother was full blooded Irish-Israeli, and her husband was full blooded German-Israeli, both Messianic since they loved the Bible and Torah. On my mom's side, THAT is when I discovered that there was Israeli blood among the Cherokees here in the America's, and I have their blood in me from my mother's side. When the Assyrians started taking captive the northern ten tribes in about 753 BC (somewhere there abouts), many of the more wealthy families boarded ships and sailed out and away from the invasion.

So, Bob, there are FAR more bloodline Israelis all around this planet than what most people realize. The U.S. is the largest melting pot of all ten of the tribes of the northern Israeli tribes than what most people realize. Many of YOU out there have Israeli blood coursing through your veins, but what matters MOST is being grafted into that One Vine, and being fruitful.

Isn't it interesting that this knowledge of the Israeli blood remaining hidden among all the nations for all these centuries....until NOW?

Makes me wonder what those 12 thunders had said that John wasn't allowed to write down... Hmmm.

MM

 

[Lanolin]

So...nobody really went to Canada? Too cold?

Jewish families act in very similar ways to Chinese families. The main difference is the Chinese eat everything and not fussy about food, plus will eat pork. And crayfish.

I suspect that Israelites that went into China quickly assimilated when they found the only meat available to eat was pork lol.

 

[Musicmaster]

So...nobody really went to Canada? Too cold?

Jewish families act in very similar ways to Chinese families. The main difference is the Chinese eat everything and not fussy about food, plus will eat pork. And crayfish.

I suspect that Israelites that went into China quickly assimilated when they found the only meat available to eat was pork lol.

 

[crossnote]

Ultimately the Lord is creating 'one new man' out of Jew and Gentile...

Ephesians 2:15 (NASB) by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

 

[Musicmaster]

Ultimately the Lord is creating 'one new man' out of Jew and Gentile...

Ephesians 2:15 (NASB) by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

Context, please?