Bullying...why?

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He made some derogatory falsehoods about my employer. His demeanor was, at the very least, unfriendly. This was at an off-site social gathering for that particular Sunday school class. I was new to the church and this was my first social gathering. I've experienced this sort of thing many times over the years. As a young Christian, I didn't know how to handle it because it always caught me by surprise. Experience has taught me how to handle it. I didn't respond in kind, that would be sinful, but there's nothing that says I have to stick around.
Thats terrible. It still always shocks me when unchristian things happen at church or where christians are gathering cos you dont expect it. Not just when you are new but even after several years you think how can this be going on with elders? Dont they know better?

If its just random people being snide I think well just keep away from them and pray for them. They are bitter about something. They dont need to take it out on you but you just happen to be there.
 
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Thats terrible. It still always shocks me when unchristian things happen at church or where christians are gathering cos you dont expect it. Not just when you are new but even after several years you think how can this be going on with elders? Dont they know better?

If its just random people being snide I think well just keep away from them and pray for them. They are bitter about something. They dont need to take it out on you but you just happen to be there.
Mostly the second paragraph, although I've experienced some very unkind words from pastors also. I'm not going to elaborate on it because it was hard enough to let go of it. Like you said, put it in God's hand, pray for them and move on.
 
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I wonder what gets taught in pastors school.
I dont recall Jesus saying unkind things to his disciples, he reserved that for Pharisees. Although he did rebuke Peter a few times. But then Peter was being somewhat annoying.
Pastors are just people with sinful natures, like everybody else. Their education and position doesn't give them any special spiritual status with God, just makes them an educated sinner.
 
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Pastors are just people with sinful natures, like everybody else. Their education and position doesn't give them any special spiritual status with God, just makes them an educated sinner.
I suppose thats why Paul made some rules/recommendations in letter to Timothy of who could be in that role. (In my kjv bible, its bishop or deacon) The worst thing is to have a pastor that beats everyone else up for their own shortcomings.
 
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I was talking with one of the teachers about the subject of bullying in schools.
She reckons that mosy schools encourage it because they dont have the concept of the older ones looking after the younger ones across the grades. In most schools teachers divide everyone into grades or years and the children only hang round with their own peers in their own year group. This means the younger ones will be afraid of the older ones as they dont want to encroach on their territory.

Older children can be terrible bullies to younger ones, teasing them and use their limited authority and privelige of being older to lord it over the younger ones. Instead of looking out for them and teaching them, many just think cos they are bigger and stronger it means a license to abuse the small and weak.
 

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I was talking with one of the teachers about the subject of bullying in schools.
She reckons that mosy schools encourage it because they dont have the concept of the older ones looking after the younger ones across the grades. In most schools teachers divide everyone into grades or years and the children only hang round with their own peers in their own year group. This means the younger ones will be afraid of the older ones as they dont want to encroach on their territory.

Older children can be terrible bullies to younger ones, teasing them and use their limited authority and privelige of being older to lord it over the younger ones. Instead of looking out for them and teaching them, many just think cos they are bigger and stronger it means a license to abuse the small and weak.
Ok, I know nothing about schools in NZ, but our teachers don't divide everyone into grades or years, the system does. Alco, claiming that schools encourage bullies is really kind of a silly thing to say. We here break schools down into three: Elementary (K - 5), middle school (6 - 8) and high school (9 - 12). There really is no alternative to that.

I really think it has gotten out of hand. We will always have people that are strong willed and those that are not. However, interaction between the lion and the sheep are not always a case of being bullied. It is sometimes just the natural order of things.
 
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Ok, I know nothing about schools in NZ, but our teachers don't divide everyone into grades or years, the system does. Alco, claiming that schools encourage bullies is really kind of a silly thing to say. We here break schools down into three: Elementary (K - 5), middle school (6 - 8) and high school (9 - 12). There really is no alternative to that.

I really think it has gotten out of hand. We will always have people that are strong willed and those that are not. However, interaction between the lion and the sheep are not always a case of being bullied. It is sometimes just the natural order of things.
Its not silly its serious and many teachers arent doing anything to really stop it. Some schools have decided to incorporate older younger mentoring in their classrooms and it does work in some schools, where its family orientated and not age leveled.

However some teachers were against this saying it was too hard. So I would say dont blame the system when YOU can do something about it to change it. And because those of us on here are christians , WE actually can do something. Because God is more powerful than any bully.

Jesus was radical in that sense that he wouldnt let a brusied reed break and wouldnt stand for the nonsense of bullying from the heirarchy. But a lot of people are like meh, thats just the way it is.

Well I for one am going to speak up and say its not. Its is wrong. Lets pray that it stops NOW. Im not going to wait till another child dies
 

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Its not silly its serious and many teachers arent doing anything to really stop it. Some schools have decided to incorporate older younger mentoring in their classrooms and it does work in some schools, where its family orientated and not age leveled.

However some teachers were against this saying it was too hard. So I would say dont blame the system when YOU can do something about it to change it. And because those of us on here are christians , WE actually can do something. Because God is more powerful than any bully.

Jesus was radical in that sense that he wouldnt let a brusied reed break and wouldnt stand for the nonsense of bullying from the heirarchy. But a lot of people are like meh, thats just the way it is.

Well I for one am going to speak up and say its not. Its is wrong. Lets pray that it stops NOW. Im not going to wait till another child dies
Ok, I just don't get it. You are going to place an older child in a 1st grade class? How does the older child get his/her education? Classes, at least in this country, and based on age/grades. I have no idea what you mean by "older younger mentoring."

As it happens, it is my office that investigates all reported acts of bullying and we do not get that many of them. We get some, but not that many for a school system with over 390,000 students:

MIAMI DADE COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS

Policy Against Bullying and Harassment

BULLYING AND HARASSMENT POLICY
At each school, the principal or the principal’s designee is responsible for receiving complaints alleging violations of this policy. All school employees are required to report alleged violations of this Policy to the principal or the principal’s designee. All other members of the school community who have credible information that an act of bullying or harassment has taken place, including students, parents/legal guardians, volunteers, and visitors are encouraged to report any act that may be a violation of this policy anonymously or in-person to the principal or principal’s designee.
 

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Its not silly its serious and many teachers arent doing anything to really stop it. Some schools have decided to incorporate older younger mentoring in their classrooms and it does work in some schools, where its family orientated and not age leveled.

However some teachers were against this saying it was too hard. So I would say dont blame the system when YOU can do something about it to change it. And because those of us on here are christians , WE actually can do something. Because God is more powerful than any bully.

Jesus was radical in that sense that he wouldnt let a brusied reed break and wouldnt stand for the nonsense of bullying from the heirarchy. But a lot of people are like meh, thats just the way it is.

Well I for one am going to speak up and say its not. Its is wrong. Lets pray that it stops NOW. Im not going to wait till another child dies
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Ok, I just don't get it. You are going to place an older child in a 1st grade class? How does the older child get his/her education? Classes, at least in this country, and based on age/grades. I have no idea what you mean by "older younger mentoring."

As it happens, it is my office that investigates all reported acts of bullying and we do not get that many of them. We get some, but not that many for a school system with over 390,000 students:

MIAMI DADE COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS

Policy Against Bullying and Harassment

BULLYING AND HARASSMENT POLICY
At each school, the principal or the principal’s designee is responsible for receiving complaints alleging violations of this policy. All school employees are required to report alleged violations of this Policy to the principal or the principal’s designee. All other members of the school community who have credible information that an act of bullying or harassment has taken place, including students, parents/legal guardians, volunteers, and visitors are encouraged to report any act that may be a violation of this policy anonymously or in-person to the principal or principal’s designee.
You have no idea how mentoring works? Ok You need to look into it and see how real families function.
 
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I have finished school! Hooray.

There is a lot of bullying in schools I saw it happen most everyday. And in many different workplaces. The reason why its not often reported is fear. But I think its better than abuse is reported than kept quiet, like some people think domestic abuse doesn't happen and or worse--that its normal when it is not.

I have had to break up a lot of fights and squabbles this year, but hopefully the children are learning that their behaviour affects others and its not good to call people names and fight over who's first etc. When you have 30+ children in one space it can be a challenge.
 
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School back in two weeks.
Please pray for a peaceful year and that we can stop the bullying before it gets worse.

I happen to be reading about the Columbine massacre, this happened in a high school in Colorado in 1999 I'm sure most of you are aware.
Yes not exactly light reading. Anyway 15 people died including one teacher, in the school library. The mum of one of the killers, wrote a book about her son called 'A mother's reckoning'.

I didn't gain that much insight into why it all happened, she seemed rather in denial about her son being capable of doing such a thing, and a bit blind to red flags in his attitude to others and behaviour, but one thing I noticed was she did mention bullying was rampant in that school and teachers didn't really do anything about it. It was just seen as an everyday thing. His friendship with the other boy who together plotted to blow up the school..was not stopped and even when they were arrested and charged for stealing they somehow got let off and bailed out on community service. The mum continued to think her son was 'a good kid'. No consequences whatsoever. If he'd been jailed, for a length of time it would be likely he wouldn't have gone on to commit further crimes cos he would have thad to think about his actions, what he did and know it was wrong and he couldn't get away with it. For his own safety as well as everyone elses.

Say what you will about prison, there's a place for it.
God can work in prisons.