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As we approach a new year, it would be helpful if we all considered what Christian Doctrine is. Every single person reading this thread has been approached and or has friends and family who identify with the Christian faith. However.....are they actually Christians????

Because we do not want to argue or lose a friend we do not question their faith. However, most of the time we do not respond to those people because we do not know enough about what it means to actually be a Christian.

Because of the latter I thought it would be helpful if we know what it means to be a Christian and what must be believed to be one. So with that in mind I have put together a list of "essential beliefs" that are required to be called a Christian.

1. The Bible is the inspired, infallible, and inerrant Word of God.
No other writings, revelations or prophecies are to be considered as an authoritative source of truth and/or interpretation of the Bible. No organization, individual and/or group of individuals is to be considered as authoritative in which those words take authority over the Bible.

2. The Deity of Jesus Christ
Jesus is fully God and fully man.

3. The Trinity
There is one God in three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

4. All men are sinful and are in need of salvation
Romans 3:23....."All have sinned and come short of the glory of God".

5. Jesus Christ died to pay for the sins of all men.
Romans 5:8:........ "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

6. Salvation is only possible by faith in Jesus Christ.
John 14:6............."I am the way, the truth and the life and no man comes to the Father except by Me".
Salvation is not through religion, water baptism, observation of the Law or keeping the Sacraments.

7. Jesus Christ died physically and rose again on the 3rd day.
1 Thessalonians 4:14 ..... "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."

8. The Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
The Return of Christ is pivotal in Christian eschatology, marking the culmination of history and the fulfillment of God's promises. If we do not accept the Biblical promise of God that He will return, then that idea makes God a liar and if that is the case then He is a sinner and no one is saved.

I am sure that there are those of you who will add to this list what you believe is "essential" and those are welcome as then we can talk about those.
I would encourage you to post the Scriptures that support your theology.

I also recommend the single volume (condensed from 19 volumes) titled The Fundamentals edited by R.A. Torrey with contributions by Warren Wiersbe and endorsed by Carl F.H. Henry and J.I. Packer. This is a condensed version of the original Fundamentals collection of essays originally published in 1915. This is available in paperback for a reasonable price on Amazon. Its ISBN is 0-8254-2633-2 if you wish to find it elsewhere.
 
As we approach a new year, it would be helpful if we all considered what Christian Doctrine is. Every single person reading this thread has been approached and or has friends and family who identify with the Christian faith. However.....are they actually Christians????

Because we do not want to argue or lose a friend we do not question their faith. However, most of the time we do not respond to those people because we do not know enough about what it means to actually be a Christian.

Because of the latter I thought it would be helpful if we know what it means to be a Christian and what must be believed to be one. So with that in mind I have put together a list of "essential beliefs" that are required to be called a Christian.

1. The Bible is the inspired, infallible, and inerrant Word of God.
No other writings, revelations or prophecies are to be considered as an authoritative source of truth and/or interpretation of the Bible. No organization, individual and/or group of individuals is to be considered as authoritative in which those words take authority over the Bible.

2. The Deity of Jesus Christ
Jesus is fully God and fully man.

3. The Trinity
There is one God in three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

4. All men are sinful and are in need of salvation
Romans 3:23....."All have sinned and come short of the glory of God".

5. Jesus Christ died to pay for the sins of all men.
Romans 5:8:........ "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

6. Salvation is only possible by faith in Jesus Christ.
John 14:6............."I am the way, the truth and the life and no man comes to the Father except by Me".
Salvation is not through religion, water baptism, observation of the Law or keeping the Sacraments.

7. Jesus Christ died physically and rose again on the 3rd day.
1 Thessalonians 4:14 ..... "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."

8. The Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
The Return of Christ is pivotal in Christian eschatology, marking the culmination of history and the fulfillment of God's promises. If we do not accept the Biblical promise of God that He will return, then that idea makes God a liar and if that is the case then He is a sinner and no one is saved.

I am sure that there are those of you who will add to this list what you believe is "essential" and those are welcome as then we can talk about those.
I would encourage you to post the Scriptures that support your theology.

Can I jump into the deep end? Well, although I agree with all the points, I do believe that to be a Christian, (believer) the only requirement is to as God`s word says -

`For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.` (John 3: 16)

Then as the believer grows in the Lord, he/she can learn more of the Lord His character and His purposes.
 
I also recommend the single volume (condensed from 19 volumes) titled The Fundamentals edited by R.A. Torrey with contributions by Warren Wiersbe and endorsed by Carl F.H. Henry and J.I. Packer. This is a condensed version of the original Fundamentals collection of essays originally published in 1915. This is available in paperback for a reasonable price on Amazon. Its ISBN is 0-8254-2633-2 if you wish to find it elsewhere.
Agreed!

I would add to that collection "Things Which Become Sound Doctrine: Doctrinal Studies of Fourteen Crucial Words of Faith" written by the late Dr. J Dwight Pentecost.

It is available through Amazon.
 
Can I jump into the deep end? Well, although I agree with all the points, I do believe that to be a Christian, (believer) the only requirement is to as God`s word says -

`For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.` (John 3: 16)

Then as the believer grows in the Lord, he/she can learn more of the Lord His character and His purposes.
Agreed.

As posted in the original post.........
"6. Salvation is only possible by faith in Jesus Christ.
John 14:6............."I am the way, the truth and the life and no man comes to the Father except by Me".
Salvation is not through religion, water baptism, observation of the Law or keeping the Sacraments.
 

Baptism is essential, the Bible tells us so. I also believe it is necessary to believe in the true presence of the Eucharist.

John 6:53

New King James Version

53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.

On Baptism​

1 Peter 3:21​

21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

  • Mark 16:16 “He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.”
  • John 3:5 “Jesus answered, ‘I tell you the truth, unless a man is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.’” (cf. 3:3: “unless a man is born again …”)
  • Acts 2:38-41And Peter said to them, ‘Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him.’ And he testified with many other words and exhorted them, saying, ‘Save yourselves from this crooked generation.’ So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.” (cf. 9:17-18; 1 Corinthians 12:13: both associate the Holy Spirit with baptism)
  • Acts 22:16 “And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.” (cf. 9:17-18)
  • Romans 6:3-4 “Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.”
I respectfully and with all due respect disagree.

Baptism is a "work/action" done by men.

Ephesians 2:8-9......
""For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
{9} not of works, lest anyone should boast. "

John 6:53 is understood as a "picture" and is not a literal event. Jesus’ graphic imagery about eating His flesh and drinking His blood is indeed puzzling at first. Context will help us understand what He is saying.

The day before He said John 6:53, Context tells us that the same multitudes He feed with the 5000 fish continued to follow Him, seeking another meal. Jesus pointed out their short-sightedness: they were only seeking physical bread, but there was something more important: “Food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you” (verse 27).
At this point, Jesus attempts to turn their perspective away from physical sustenance to their true need, which was spiritual.

Jesus explains that it is not physical bread that the world needs, but spiritual bread. Jesus three times identifies Himself as that spiritual bread (John 6:35, 48, 51).

Some people believe that the bread and wine of communion are somehow transformed into Jesus’ actual flesh and blood, or that Jesus somehow imbues these substances with His real presence. These ideas, called "Transubstantiation (professed by the Catholic and Orthodox churches) and consubstantiation (held by some Lutherans), ignore Jesus’ statement that........
“the flesh counts for nothing” in John 6:63. The majority of Protestants understand that Jesus was speaking metaphorically about His flesh and blood and hold that the bread and wine are symbolic of the spiritual bond created with Christ through faith.

Mark 16:16 verse distinguishes between belief and salvation, and lack of belief and condemnation. The first half of the verse emphasizes belief as the means of salvation. The public expression of that belief is baptism. The second half of the verse clearly notes "whoever does not believe will be condemned." The contrast is clearly between belief and lack of belief, not between baptism and condemnation.

John 3:5 does not require baptism as the water in that Scripture is about the 1st birth, physically through the amniotic fluid of the mother.

Acts 2:38-41.....the misunderstanding here comes from the original language and the meaning of the Greek word "eis."
The problem centers around the Greek word "eis " that is translated “for” in this passage.

The meanings of the Greek word eis are seen in different passages of Scripture, such noted Greek scholars as A.T. Robertson and J.R. Mantey have maintained that the Greek preposition eis in Acts 2:38 should be translated “because of” or “in view of,” and not “in order to,” or “for the purpose of"!

Acts 22:16 is the Greek aorist participle, "epikalesamenos," translated "calling on His name" refers to action that is before that of the main verb, "be baptized." What that means then in the Original is Paul’s calling on Christ’s name for salvation preceded his water baptism. The participle is to be translated "having called on His name". That means 1st callig on Christ for the remission of sin and 2nd, following in believers baptism.

Now my dear friend, I do not post these teachings on the Scriptures to argue your belief in them. Your beliefs are yours and I do not challenge them. I only do this in order to give you the opportunity to read the explanations of each one, do the study for yourself so the you may be totally informed.
 
Agreed!

I would add to that collection "Things Which Become Sound Doctrine: Doctrinal Studies of Fourteen Crucial Words of Faith" written by the late Dr. J Dwight Pentecost.

It is available through Amazon.
J. Dwight Pentecost is a reliable scholar and devoted man of God. I have his book Things to Come, and I now have the book you mentioned above on order, thanks for the tip.
 
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J. Dwight Pentecost is a reliable scholar and devoted man of God. I have his book Things to Come, and I now have the book you mentioned above on order, thanks for the tip.
Of course and I have both of them as well.

If you add the 5 volumes of "Through The Bible" by J. Vernon MaGee and the works of Dr. Oliver B. Green......you do not need anything else!
 
I respectfully and with all due respect disagree.

Baptism is a "work/action" done by men.

Ephesians 2:8-9......
""For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
{9} not of works, lest anyone should boast. "

John 6:53 is understood as a "picture" and is not a literal event. Jesus’ graphic imagery about eating His flesh and drinking His blood is indeed puzzling at first. Context will help us understand what He is saying.

The day before He said John 6:53, Context tells us that the same multitudes He feed with the 5000 fish continued to follow Him, seeking another meal. Jesus pointed out their short-sightedness: they were only seeking physical bread, but there was something more important: “Food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you” (verse 27).
At this point, Jesus attempts to turn their perspective away from physical sustenance to their true need, which was spiritual.

Jesus explains that it is not physical bread that the world needs, but spiritual bread. Jesus three times identifies Himself as that spiritual bread (John 6:35, 48, 51).

Some people believe that the bread and wine of communion are somehow transformed into Jesus’ actual flesh and blood, or that Jesus somehow imbues these substances with His real presence. These ideas, called "Transubstantiation (professed by the Catholic and Orthodox churches) and consubstantiation (held by some Lutherans), ignore Jesus’ statement that........

“the flesh counts for nothing” in John 6:63. The majority of Protestants understand that Jesus was speaking metaphorically about His flesh and blood and hold that the bread and wine are symbolic of the spiritual bond created with Christ through faith.

Mark 16:16 verse distinguishes between belief and salvation, and lack of belief and condemnation. The first half of the verse emphasizes belief as the means of salvation. The public expression of that belief is baptism. The second half of the verse clearly notes "whoever does not believe will be condemned." The contrast is clearly between belief and lack of belief, not between baptism and condemnation.

John 3:5 does not require baptism as the water in that Scripture is about the 1st birth, physically through the amniotic fluid of the mother.

Acts 2:38-41.....the misunderstanding here comes from the original language and the meaning of the Greek word "eis."
The problem centers around the Greek word "eis " that is translated “for” in this passage.

The meanings of the Greek word eis are seen in different passages of Scripture, such noted Greek scholars as A.T. Robertson and J.R. Mantey have maintained that the Greek preposition eis in Acts 2:38 should be translated “because of” or “in view of,” and not “in order to,” or “for the purpose of"!

Acts 22:16 is the Greek aorist participle, "epikalesamenos," translated "calling on His name" refers to action that is before that of the main verb, "be baptized." What that means then in the Original is Paul’s calling on Christ’s name for salvation preceded his water baptism. The participle is to be translated "having called on His name". That means 1st callig on Christ for the remission of sin and 2nd, following in believers baptism.

Now my dear friend, I do not post these teachings on the Scriptures to argue your belief in them. Your beliefs are yours and I do not challenge them. I only do this in order to give you the opportunity to read the explanations of each one, do the study for yourself so the you may be totally informed.
 Baptism

Baptism maybe an action but one cannot remit their own sins.

John 3:5... why would someone who has not been born need salvation? Also, "born again" is an indication that one must be born the 1st time. Also, in John 3:22 (right after His encounter with Nicodemus, Jesus and His disciples baptized believers in actual water.

Mark 16:16 says
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
The use of "and" and "will be" is indicative of an action. "And" means there's a step to take and "will be" means there is a consequence for not taking the action.

1peter 3:21
21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,


The teaching of the real presence of the Eucharist has been a long standing teaching of the apostolic father's. In the Didache, and other early writings of the church fathers, the claim was consistent that Eucharist is Chist actual body and blood, not just symbolic. They have the same teaching on Baptism for the remission of sins.I don't think they got it wrong for 1500+years.

Be blessed
 
 Baptism

Baptism maybe an action but one cannot remit their own sins.

John 3:5... why would someone who has not been born need salvation? Also, "born again" is an indication that one must be born the 1st time. Also, in John 3:22 (right after His encounter with Nicodemus, Jesus and His disciples baptized believers in actual water.

Mark 16:16 says
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
The use of "and" and "will be" is indicative of an action. "And" means there's a step to take and "will be" means there is a consequence for not taking the action.

1peter 3:21
21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,


The teaching of the real presence of the Eucharist has been a long standing teaching of the apostolic father's. In the Didache, and other early writings of the church fathers, the claim was consistent that Eucharist is Chist actual body and blood, not just symbolic. They have the same teaching on Baptism for the remission of sins.I don't think they got it wrong for 1500+years.

Be blessed
Correct......Baptism is an "action" done by men which is a work. As such it then is an addition to what Jesus did and is not an "essential" to being saved.

Correct in that John 3:5 defines "born again" is an indication that one must be born the 1st time. The water then indicates the 1st birth which comes with amniotic fluid of the mother in child birth.

Verse 4 confirms this as Context when we read....."Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born".
Mark 16:16 must be remembered is not in the originals written by Mark. It was "added" by a scribe at a later date and is questionable to be applied to any doctrine. Also you are correct in that baptism is a 2nd or next step which is an act of obedience!

Now as for the "real presence" of Christ in the Communion process. I think that we must understand that that practice/belief ofThe “real presence” of the Lord Jesus Christ in the Lord’s Supper is a doctrine of Roman Catholicism (and some other Christian denominations) that teaches that, instead of being symbolic rites, communion and water baptism are opportunities for the real presence of God to appear. In the case of communion, the Catholic has and does believe once the priest has blessed the wine and the bread, the wine becomes Jesus’ blood and the bread becomes His flesh.

Now, They cannot explain how this is done but they believe this transformation (called transubstantiation) allows God to spiritually nourish the partaker to better serve Him and to be Christ to the lost world.

On a practical and common sense level, the bread does not become flesh. The wine does not become blood. And no amount of belief is going to make it so.

Again...please understand I am not arguing a point or a belief, and I am not debating the Catholic religion, but I am only "explaining" what it is so others will grasp what we are talking about.

There are two major problems with this line of thought.
#1.
First, there is no way that a ceremony can recreate Jesus’ crucifixion. Several places in the New Testament claim Jesus’ death was “once for all” (Romans 6:10; Hebrews 7:27, 9:12, 10:10; 1 Peter 3:18). There is no mention that the act of the crucifixion, which occurred within the confines of a linear timeline, is somehow free of that timeline to be as eternal as God Himself. The results of that act are certainly timeless, as it was that act that allowed even those before Jesus’ time to be saved. But we have no way of participating in an act that occurred nearly two thousand years ago, except in the symbolic sense.

#2.
The Roman Catholici Church teaches that liturgy (taken from the Greek for “work”) is the conduit through which God provides blessing and salvation. Essentially, and here is the problem...........in addition to placing the priest between the congregants and God, they also place the bread and wine between themselves and God. They believe they are blessed because of their obedience in taking communion, and that blessing literally streams from God through the bread and wine and into their souls.
 
 Baptism

Baptism maybe an action but one cannot remit their own sins.

John 3:5... why would someone who has not been born need salvation? Also, "born again" is an indication that one must be born the 1st time. Also, in John 3:22 (right after His encounter with Nicodemus, Jesus and His disciples baptized believers in actual water.

Mark 16:16 says
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
The use of "and" and "will be" is indicative of an action. "And" means there's a step to take and "will be" means there is a consequence for not taking the action.

1peter 3:21
21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,


The teaching of the real presence of the Eucharist has been a long standing teaching of the apostolic father's. In the Didache, and other early writings of the church fathers, the claim was consistent that Eucharist is Chist actual body and blood, not just symbolic. They have the same teaching on Baptism for the remission of sins.I don't think they got it wrong for 1500+years.

Be blessed
That poor thief on the cross ended up in hell anyway because he wasn’t baptized. I can't help but wonder what sins were remitted when Jesus was baptized. I thought he was sinless.
 
That poor thief on the cross ended up in hell anyway because he wasn’t baptized. I can't help but wonder what sins were remitted when Jesus was baptized. I thought he was sinless.

Good morning, BibleLover;

Jesus was baptized not because He was sinless, but as an example for all and righteousness.

I wonder if Jesus took the second thief/criminal into account when He promised he would be with Him in paradise reference Luke 23:39-43.

Or are you referring to the first criminal who hurled insults at Jesus?
 
That poor thief on the cross ended up in hell anyway because he wasn’t baptized.
There were two thieves. One rejected Jesus, the other accepted him and was welcomed to paradise upon his death.


One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!”But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation?And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.”And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.” - Luke 23:39-43

 
Good morning, BibleLover;

Jesus was baptized not because He was sinless, but as an example for all and righteousness.

I wonder if Jesus took the second thief/criminal into account when He promised he would be with Him in paradise reference Luke 23:39-43.

Or are you referring to the first criminal who hurled insults at Jesus?
No, I was referring to the one promised paradise. The baptism of Jesus is the fly in the ointment for those espousing baptismal regeneration.
 
No, I was referring to the one promised paradise. The baptism of Jesus is the fly in the ointment for those espousing baptismal regeneration.

Hello BibleLover;

When you posted "That poor thief on the cross ended up in hell anyway because he wasn’t baptized." led me to respond.

I believe we're on the same understanding, BibleLover. The one who was promised paradise was based on his confession and request for forgiveness from Jesus which at that moment was the spiritual baptism and salvation.

This brings me back to my post. Jesus at the cross is one of the core foundations of essential beliefs of Christian Doctrine.

God bless you, brother.

Bob
 
That poor thief on the cross ended up in hell anyway because he wasn’t baptized. I can't help but wonder what sins were remitted when Jesus was baptized. I thought he was sinless.
The exception isn't the rule. Let's not mock God's grace and mercy. Not everyone makes it to their baptism, not everyone has an opportunity to receive communion. But, those of us who are able, should do so.

Edit: whether you believe in the real presence of the Eucharist or not or whether you belive in baptism for the remission of sins, the Bible says to do it, and it's best to obey.
Acts 2:38
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost

Jesus didn't need baptism. In doing so, He affirmed Johns ministry and at this time, it was revealed by the Father and Holy Spirit that Jesus is God's beloved son and He prefigures His own death, and gives baptism it's ultimate meaning [ Ancient Faith Study Bible]

Romans 6: 1-4
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
 
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