i favor that type altar call myself. but how ever noticed you used the word " surrender" , the altar call is just about a thing in the pass
that is a interesting phrase that i agree with
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no its not personally i couldn't name even one top ten Contempary song on the charts. ..however if i hear a song with a great message i will listen to it. even Bill gaither reaches out to the Contempary artist
Yes, even the mega-Churches are filled with 'mood music' manipulating people's emotions. That seems to be a common strategy.
This seems to be the common "thought" from those who are NOT in favour of contemporary Christian music. I have already clarified that I believe the problem with the mega churches is that they teach a false doctrine. ( Yes... this is a blanket statement ).
Can you or SOMEONE explain to me... what the purpose of corporate worship is?? Or is that a term that only the contemporary Worship camp has coined??
What is the emotion that is being manipulated? I'm still not clear as to what people are debating about here. I say this because I am the biggest fan of contemporary Worship music... but for the life of me... I do NOT see the "emotional manipulation/damage" anyone is referring to.
Is the concept of Worshipping together with fellow believers not meant to bring each individual CLOSER to the heart of FATHER GOD?
There is something I am not getting here... Someone please help me to understand how one can claim that certain music played in church causes one to be DECEIVED??? I mean all due respect... and it is not my intention to argue... I am truly at a loss to understand what some are saying here.
*** Edit... I think part of why I am not understanding what is truly being stated here is due to the fact that I am not aware of what is being played in churches today. Can someone Major or anyone else following this thread give me some examples of the type of songs that are causing problems?? I really have the heart to understand here... and if I am wrong in how I feel about the matter... I need to embrace the truth.
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elaborate if you would on your term corp worship ... plz
This is what I have been exposed to.... Corporate worship is gathering together with fellow believers and "in song"... singing to... praising/worshipping God in heaven. It's different than prayer because there is no petition of wants or needs. It is simply honouring and
adoring the FATHER and SON.
yes it is and over the course of time some how some where we have missed the mark. the Church aka the body of Christ has shifted . i have seen in watching online many churches have just as big of band as the old 70.s rock band. lights drums etc we forget that Jesus said the spirit quickens ( brings to life ) the flesh profits nothing . so if a church switches over to full Contempary singing. in hopes of making the Church service better/ more attractive . then imo that is flesh trying to create a spirit.
me personally i am against taking hymns out of the service . i am all for for bring the 2 styles in together few hymnals sang in the right manner from the heart. then bring in some newer music provided it has a God centered message. ia m sure at some point and time gma and gpa had a hard time getting use to some new styles of hymnals.
i like that and can respect that iam southern Gospel fan for listening to on teh radio. its kind of odd i can hear a Contempary song on the radio not care for it. but listen to a person sing it as a special in church and enjoy it..
Listen to any of the Hillsong songs used in worship and they will invariably start off slow and gradually crescendo into a heightened emotional ooze. This may be subjective on my part, but that is highly manipulative.
ia m from a rural area the churches i have been to hymnals some comtemp . we call it a worship service honestly not sure if i fully understand . i think were dealing with styles preferences . if the Holy spirit aka the anointing is there. that is the key i been in services before they start. i can sense the presence of the LORD in spirit. songs sang that moved you in the spirit that after it was over. very hard sit down. the whole key to it is not us but this BY MY SPIRIT saith teh Lord
I absolutely 100% agree with you. Those old hymns are priceless gems.... and if I'm not mistaken ( and I think someone might have mentioned this already )... most of them are birthed from very difficult situations.... I think of It is well with my soul... I believe that the author of that hymn had lost his entire family at sea. ( If I'm thinking of the right story with the song ).
I don't have a lot of experience with church... I have been to 2 different non-denominational churches outside the Catholic church. I believe this is why I am having a difficult time understanding what people are EXACTLY trying to say here.
You hit the nail on the head when you stated...
If the music happens to repeat a Praise line over and over again... such as YOU ARE WORTHY.... or WORTHY is the LAMB.... I dont' feel that it should be disqualified as invalid or lacking in integrity. Some of these songs are meant for DEEP PRAISE.... and I think this is what people are not agreeing with. There seems to be a school of thought that any music that will bring you to an emotional state is simply WRONG.
Anyways.... thank you so very much for taking the time to address me. God bless you dear forgiven61
I think I am understanding a bit better the point that is being made. I guess it depends on what is being manipulated. ( this is where I seem to reach a fork in the road). Manipulation has NO place in Worship... It is ONE on ONE being led into that tender place in the heart free from the noise and chaos of this world. It asks for NOTHING... but comes before God with a heart to praise and Worship. This is something I was taught... and something that I hold so very precious to my heart.
So... I think at this point.... I need to simply realize that I don't agree with some of the opinions posted here.
Yep!
Agreed.
its all good i have been in many different denominational Churches ,its not the Church name that is important its 1. the one in your heart.2 what do they teach. you coming out of the catholic church i am sure is different . i been to a catholics funeral and a wedding .they had one bang of a reception ..i was lost in them days took advantage of the festivities . free drinks was the best . i am not against repeating the chorus again.
Well..........I have had a lot of experience. Allow me to share that with you. Wat has happened is that people have watched the Charismatic worship service where there are lots of musical instruments, people are standing and waving hands and clapping.
Now when that is observed the normal Church goer says......That is what I want. Excitement, enthusiasm.
So then the local church who is "financed" by the elderly tries to do that the elderly rebell!
So then the Pastor and music director do what is called "Blended" musical services. Now the problem with that is that it is done for a short time and eventually the tradionaly songs are gone and contemporary takes over.
Actually this is a NO brainer. If anyone does not like contemporary, go find a church that deals in the traditional songs!
Good word......."Manipulation"! Now allow me to ask you, do you think that manipulation of any kind should be used in a Christian church????
We go to church to worship the ONE God and not to be entertained. When the base rhythms and beat are so sensual that we become "manipulated"........then I think we have the root of the problem.
Major ... Do you really feel the need to ask me this question?? HAHA. Good GRIEF!!! ( that is my rolling eyeballs statement!! ) complimented with my favourite emoji that requires medical attention and no one seems to be caring for.
My favourite worship team of the second church I attended consisted of a keyboard and a violin. The sound that was made was a beautiful beautiful thing... and it brought me to heavenly places ( for lack of a better word ).
I have a hard time with the word manipulation and Worship. I have never experienced such a terrible thing.
I have never gone to church to be entertained.... and the only instruments I have seen at church are guitars... keyboards and the blessed violin.
Thank you for taking the time to address me.
That sounds like a people problem... NOT a music problem..... just saying... lol
Hello Major;
As I read your posts in this topic I have no agreeable or disagreeable determinations but taking the time to enjoy your thoughts and opinions regarding Christian music.
If we make determinations on opinions that can arrive at self motive or self serving, then I would hope to have discernment to decide if I want to continue in that direction of the conversation. Not so in this thread.
In this topic my self motive is to enjoy the conversation and other's opinions while serving to be an uplifter in fellowship. But I'm also interested as a musician who has served in the music ministry.
When I was much younger I had a dream to be a professional musician, travel the world and record. This exposed me to all genres of music, some I loved and some I didn't have an ear for. My self motive was for people to enjoy my music. It was about me.
In 1974 when I was led to serve God in the music ministry it was on a much smaller scale. As the years went by that smaller scale of playing every Sunday and other Christian venues actually gave me much more fulfillment serving God instead of playing on the world stage. This is my testimony.
In high school the acappella choir introduced and expanded my musical love, for example, Handel's Messiah. When we sang in the Church choir I became more familiar with traditional hymns. I love the traditional hymns for many are 100+ years old, Scriptural based and timeless.
The music ministry led me to other opportunities in ministry but came with lessons. These lessons are people, not the guitar, microphone, sound equipment or rehearsals. Co-existing with other people, personalities, getting along, life situations, praying, studying and then serving God during worship service on Sunday, giving our all in all for Him. This takes discipline and unfortunately, many Christian musicians stepped down, not because of God, but because they couldn't get along with the other.
Hello forgiven;
Of the two non Christian music, which is worse, country music or rock? I'll tell you the truth. When I first heard 1969's Okie From Muscogee by Merle Haggard, I enjoyed it and learned he came to Jesus later in his life. 1974's Thank God I'm a Country Bob by John Denver was a gifted musician and composer but wasn't saved and died in a plane crash.
I like both and when country or rock is transposed to Christian music can also be enjoyable. Aside from worship service, I have enjoyed country or rock praise music while driving long distance.
God bless you, both, brothers.
Bob
I'm the one who is in disagreement with a large portion of what is being said here... and I will testify that this has been a very respectful discussion... I am always delightfully and pleasantly impressed with how people talk to each other In these forums.