What about Ufos and Cryptozoology then?

[Garee]

Gare.....I KNOW it is not a salvation issue!!!! That is not the point. The point is that your incorrect exegesis of this subject will inevitabbly lead to and incorrect view of the plan of God which in fact DOES include salvation.

AGAIN you have stated............
"Again sons of God are the believers as messengers throughout the bible."

Gare.....you have staed that several times and I keep telling you that according to the Bible that is a false theology. Repeating it over and over is not going to make it a true statement.

The "Sons of God" in Job 1:6 and 38:7 CAN NOT BE "HUMAN BELIEVERS"

AGAIN......the "Sons of God" in Job 1:6 came with Satan to report to God. That can only mean that they were FALLEN angels!

AGAIN......the "Sons of God" in Job 38:7 God is speaking to Job and reviewing how the universe was created. In verse 4 God asks Job if he was present when God laid the foundation of the world. Verses 5 and 6 are more questions about the creation. Then verse 7 asks if Job was present when the stars sang and the “sons of God” shouted for joy. Again “sons of God” refers to the holy angels who existed at the time of the creation.

Now with all due respect........why do you continue to insist that those obvious Bible position are HUMAN BELIEVERS when they clearly can not be????

It is impossible and even dangerous to set in stone a thought that what is said in one place in the Old Test. always means the same thing in the New Test........and visa-versa.

CONTEXT and LOCATION always determines correct exegesis. It is obvious that you are confusing words and phrases because of a pre-determined agenda and because of that, you are forcing the Scriptures to say "what you want them to say, instead of accepting them as what they are actually saying".

I say that with all Christian love to love as I am sure that you want to be correct in what you understand.

My suggestion is simple. I suggest that we abandon this thread and conversation as it has become a circle of he said ,,,,,,,she said and there does not seem to be an end in sight. You are convinced that you agenda is right and I am convinced that the Bible is right. So..................

I say that because the drum beat you hear in the background is the foot steps of our moderators who I think have heard about all they want to hear from you and me on this subject.

Thanks for the reply.

I hear what you are offering but I seem to hear it a little differently like fingerprints . Its not my goal to offend in the what I hope is defence of the gospel . I honor the way of you and others here in the preaching the gospel . I would offer.

It would seem not the most popular idea but it rings true I beleive If we compare scripture to scripture.

In the end of the matter sons of God is what we are as messengers. Or what some call angels the Greek word for messengers of the gospel .How beautiful are their feet shod with the gospel.

The Holy Spirit that indwells them sends "sons of God" out two by two. .The word two represents the church( men and women)

They as sons of God are not human flesh and blood in heaven but heaven the storeroom of faith is where the saints gather to make their requests known (the golden bowl) gold represent faith the unseen glory of God.

Saints that are there no longer have any part in anything under the sun .There memory of things here under the Sun are gone, never to be remembered ever again The silver cord or the golden bowl . . .prayers of the saints had served its purpose it is cut off in the light of His glory

Ecclesiastics 12: 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

What we are not what we will be not made up with the corrupted rudiments of this world .

The gospel reads. . .

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Again “sons of God” are the believers as messengers throughout the bible. Not once are they called fallen angels rather than demons, Legion the spirit of error, father of lies, Beelzebub .There are plenty of words assigned to Legion but again not “sons of God”. It is reserved for born again believers who offer the golden vial their prayers .Satan the father of lie as the accuser of the brethren (24-7) came with those who do reach out to our heaven father in prayer.

Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.

Above sets the stage Job as a son of God reaching out in moring prayer .. . keeping the subject in mind (prayer) on one day when all the saints of earth were making their request know along came the spirit of error Lucifer the false light. he comes amoung those who seek the true light above. Clearing no one of them .

Things are created after kinds. Satan is not a human kind he works his lies in them but is not of them .

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

It would seem to be a three way conversation .The accuser of the brethern does it 24/7 none stop . Job was strengthed enabling him to finish the good work the Father began in him.

“Stars” that reflect the light of God Love as messengers of the gospel like “sons of God” do not refer to Lucifer. Lucifer as the god of this world , below he brags falsely of being the Spirit of Christ who does work in these earthen bodies giving us the power to pray as did Job .

Isaiah 14:13-15 King James Version (KJV) For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

like the most High. It is the living source of the gospel delivered by the feet of his mesengers called apostles and prophets.

Deuteronomy 28:62And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God.

Psalm 148:3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.

 

[Garee]

I have never agreed with anything Garee has ever said but he may be referring to
1 John 3:1 (KJV) which indicates we have been called 'sons of God' but I like the NAS
version better which says:
"See how great a love the Father has given us, that we would be called children of God;
and in fact we are. For this reason the world does not know us: because it did not know Him."

The sons of God are angels both fallen and retained as I understand it. There is a lot to be said
on this subject and none of which I want to delve into here.

Never with anything? Sounds a little harsh.??

How is "children of God" better than "sons of God". If its all one in the same redeemed mankind ?

 

[Nazarene Servant]

I think this UFO thread needs to be renamed CFS Lobby. This one
has really drawn some interesting discussion.

 

[Garee]

I think this UFO thread needs to be renamed CFS Lobby. This one
has really drawn some interesting discussion.

What is CFS Lobby?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Never with anything? Sounds a little harsh.??

How is "children of God" better than "sons of God". If its all one in the same redeemed mankind ?

Sons of Gid in Job are Angels, while sons and daughters of Giod in NT are the redeemed people!

 

[Major]

Thanks for the reply.

I hear what you are offering but I seem to hear it a little differently like fingerprints . Its not my goal to offend in the what I hope is defence of the gospel . I honor the way of you and others here in the preaching the gospel . I would offer.

It would seem not the most popular idea but it rings true I beleive If we compare scripture to scripture.

In the end of the matter sons of God is what we are as messengers. Or what some call angels the Greek word for messengers of the gospel .How beautiful are their feet shod with the gospel.

The Holy Spirit that indwells them sends "sons of God" out two by two. .The word two represents the church( men and women)

They as sons of God are not human flesh and blood in heaven but heaven the storeroom of faith is where the saints gather to make their requests known (the golden bowl) gold represent faith the unseen glory of God.

Saints that are there no longer have any part in anything under the sun .There memory of things here under the Sun are gone, never to be remembered ever again The silver cord or the golden bowl . . .prayers of the saints had served its purpose it is cut off in the light of His glory

Ecclesiastics 12: 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

What we are not what we will be not made up with the corrupted rudiments of this world .

The gospel reads. . .

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Again “sons of God” are the believers as messengers throughout the bible. Not once are they called fallen angels rather than demons, Legion the spirit of error, father of lies, Beelzebub .There are plenty of words assigned to Legion but again not “sons of God”. It is reserved for born again believers who offer the golden vial their prayers .Satan the father of lie as the accuser of the brethren (24-7) came with those who do reach out to our heaven father in prayer.

Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.

Above sets the stage Job as a son of God reaching out in moring prayer .. . keeping the subject in mind (prayer) on one day when all the saints of earth were making their request know along came the spirit of error Lucifer the false light. he comes amoung those who seek the true light above. Clearing no one of them .

Things are created after kinds. Satan is not a human kind he works his lies in them but is not of them .

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

It would seem to be a three way conversation .The accuser of the brethern does it 24/7 none stop . Job was strengthed enabling him to finish the good work the Father began in him.

“Stars” that reflect the light of God Love as messengers of the gospel like “sons of God” do not refer to Lucifer. Lucifer as the god of this world , below he brags falsely of being the Spirit of Christ who does work in these earthen bodies giving us the power to pray as did Job .

Isaiah 14:13-15 King James Version (KJV) For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

like the most High. It is the living source of the gospel delivered by the feet of his mesengers called apostles and prophets.

Deuteronomy 28:62And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God.

Psalm 148:3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.

Gare.....in the nicest way I can, I have to tell you once again that you are incorrect.

"Sons of God" is used in the Old Test. to define Angels, both fallen and Good. As has been shown to you, LOCATION and CONTEXT determines the definition. "Sons of God" is also used to define born again believers. It is a phrase that is interchangeable and is NOT exclusive to one another.
Again......LOCATION and CONTEXT will tell us which ones is meant.

Bible Fact – Nowhere in the bible did God say to satan or his angels multiply and replenish the earth or heaven or any other place. They cannot multiply . They are spirits Heb 1:7 , Ps 104: 4 not flesh and blood and they cannot cohabit with humans.

Bible Fact - Nowhere in the bible doe’s God say spirits can marry , have sex or children or do anything requiring flesh and blood. . What deceived person dreamed up such a notion.?. They could not change back and forth from flesh to spirit any more than we could. If they could why aren’t they still doing it . Nowhere in the bible did God grant them permission to do such. Why would any Christian just simply believe that ?

Bible Fact - Demons are nonsexual, nonphysical beings and as such are incapable of having sexual relations and producing physical offspring. To say that demons can create bodies with DNA and fertile sperm is to say that demons have creative power—which is an exclusively divine prerogative. If demons could have sex with women in ancient times, we would have no assurance they could not do so in modern times. Nor would we have any guarantee that the people we encounter every day are fully human. While a biblical worldview does allow for fallen angels to possess unsaved human beings, it does not support the notion that a demon-possessed person can produce offspring that are part-demon, part-human. Genesis 1 makes it clear that all of God’s living creations are designed to reproduce “according to their own kinds.”

Bible fact - Finally, the mutant theory creates serious questions pertaining to the spiritual accountability of hypothetical demon-humans and their relation to humanity’s redemption. Angels rebelled individually, are judged individually, and are offered no plan of redemption in Scripture. On the other hand, humans fell corporately in Adam, are judged corporately in Adam, and are redeemed corporately through Jesus Christ. We have no biblical way of determining what category the demon-humans would fit into— whether they would be judged as angels or as men, or more significantly, whether they might even be among those for whom Christ died.

I believe the better interpretation is that “sons of God” simply refers to the godly descendants of Seth, and “daughters of men” to the ungodly descendants of Cain. Their cohabitation caused humanity to fall into such utter depravity that God said: “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them. But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord” (Genesis 6:7–8).

The rest of this stuff is "Conspiracy Theology" which is rooted in the minds of men!

 

[Major]

Sons of Gid in Job are Angels, while sons and daughters of Giod in NT are the redeemed people!

Job 1:6 , Sons of God = Fallen Angels as they came with Satan to report to God!

Job 38:7, Sons of God =Fallen angels as God as CONTEXT in verse #6 is about creation and its foundation. NO humans were alive BEFORE Creation!!

 

[Major]

What is CFS Lobby?

lobbying (present participle)

1. seek to influence on an issue.
   
   synonyms:
   seek to influence · try to persuade · bring pressure to bear on · importune · persuade · influence · sway · petition · solicit · appeal to · call on · urge · press · pressure · pressurize · push · campaign · crusade · drum up support · speak · clamor · ask · call · drive · promote · advocate · recommend · speak/plead/argue in favor of · champion · insist on · demand

It is much, much better to just read the Scriptures as they are written by God to us!

Why add nonsense, to common sense in order to make no sense?

 

[Nazarene Servant]

Gare.....in the nicest way I can, I have to tell you once again that you are incorrect.

"Sons of God" is used in the Old Test. to define Angels, both fallen and Good. As has been shown to you, LOCATION and CONTEXT determines the definition. "Sons of God" is also used to define born again believers. It is a phrase that is interchangeable and is NOT exclusive to one another.
Again......LOCATION and CONTEXT will tell us which ones is meant.

Bible Fact – Nowhere in the bible did God say to satan or his angels multiply and replenish the earth or heaven or any other place. They cannot multiply . They are spirits Heb 1:7 , Ps 104: 4 not flesh and blood and they cannot cohabit with humans.

Bible Fact - Nowhere in the bible doe’s God say spirits can marry , have sex or children or do anything requiring flesh and blood. . What deceived person dreamed up such a notion.?. They could not change back and forth from flesh to spirit any more than we could. If they could why aren’t they still doing it . Nowhere in the bible did God grant them permission to do such. Why would any Christian just simply believe that ?

Bible Fact - Demons are nonsexual, nonphysical beings and as such are incapable of having sexual relations and producing physical offspring. To say that demons can create bodies with DNA and fertile sperm is to say that demons have creative power—which is an exclusively divine prerogative. If demons could have sex with women in ancient times, we would have no assurance they could not do so in modern times. Nor would we have any guarantee that the people we encounter every day are fully human. While a biblical worldview does allow for fallen angels to possess unsaved human beings, it does not support the notion that a demon-possessed person can produce offspring that are part-demon, part-human. Genesis 1 makes it clear that all of God’s living creations are designed to reproduce “according to their own kinds.”

Bible fact - Finally, the mutant theory creates serious questions pertaining to the spiritual accountability of hypothetical demon-humans and their relation to humanity’s redemption. Angels rebelled individually, are judged individually, and are offered no plan of redemption in Scripture. On the other hand, humans fell corporately in Adam, are judged corporately in Adam, and are redeemed corporately through Jesus Christ. We have no biblical way of determining what category the demon-humans would fit into— whether they would be judged as angels or as men, or more significantly, whether they might even be among those for whom Christ died.

I believe the better interpretation is that “sons of God” simply refers to the godly descendants of Seth, and “daughters of men” to the ungodly descendants of Cain. Their cohabitation caused humanity to fall into such utter depravity that God said: “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them. But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord” (Genesis 6:7–8).

The rest of this stuff is "Conspiracy Theology" which is rooted in the minds of men!

What about Genesis 6:2-4 which says:
"that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

This vulgar union prior to the flood was the reason for the destruction of mankind except for Noah and his immediate family. They were the only ones uncorrupted by the vulgar union of demons (fallen angels) with human women.

While I agree with your assertion pro-holiness of creation producing after its own kind God also told Adam and Eve to not eat of the Tree in the middle of the Garden. The essence of God's judgement is disobedience and both mankind and the fallen angels were and are rebellious. The whole reason for God's flooding the earth was that a pure DNA seed was in jeopardy if He didn't take action to preserve it. God hasn't created anything new since the beginning and He wasn't about to start over. So he preserved what remained and allowed a fresh start on a cleansed earth.

 

[Major]

What about Genesis 6:2-4 which says:
"that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

This vulgar union prior to the flood was the reason for the destruction of mankind except for Noah and his immediate family. They were the only ones uncorrupted by the vulgar union of demons (fallen angels) with human women.

"sons of God" is a phrase that is "Interchangeable" and LOCATION and CONTEXT determines if it is referring to HUMAN Believers or Angels whether fallen or not.

IMHO......Genesis 6:2-4 is referencing the HUMAN line of Seth as the "Sons of God".

Genesus 4:25-26.......
"Adam knew his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth saying, “God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him.” 26 Seth also had a son, and he named him Enosh. At that time people began to call on the name of the Lord."

Genesis 4:16.............
"And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden."

Cain killed Abel and was removed from the presence of God. He was the beginning of the race of people who did not know God.
Adam and Eve had Seth and his child was the beginning of the race of people who DID know God.

TWO races of people.....one who followed God and one that did not follow God.

CONTEXT,,,,,,Genesis 6:1..........
"And it came to pass, when MEN began to multiply on the face of the earth, and DAUGHTERS were born unto them".

LOCATION........
"And it came to pass, when MEN began to multiply ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, and daughters were born unto them".

"Sons of God" in Hebrew is........"bene elohim". It then refers to MEN who were in the Godly line of SETH!

Those humans intermarried with the "Daughters of Men" who were of the un-godly line of Cain.

The result of this spiritually mixed marriages brought on the judgment of God....the Flood!

The marriages HAD to have been among HUMANS and not demons and humans as Matthew 22:30 clearly tells us that Angels are ASEXUAL and can not marry or be given on marriage. The word " Marriage " in the Scripture was a nice way of saying...."no fornification possible".

 

[Nazarene Servant]

"sons of God" is a phrase that is "Interchangeable" and LOCATION and CONTEXT determines if it is referring to HUMAN Believers or Angels whether fallen or not.

IMHO......Genesis 6:2-4 is referencing the HUMAN line of Seth as the "Sons of God".

Genesus 4:25-26.......
"Adam knew his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth saying, “God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him.” 26 Seth also had a son, and he named him Enosh. At that time people began to call on the name of the Lord."

Genesis 4:16.............
"And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden."

Cain killed Abel and was removed from the presence of God. He was the beginning of the race of people who did not know God.
Adam and Eve had Seth and his child was the beginning of the race of people who DID know God.

TWO races of people.....one who followed God and one that did not follow God.

CONTEXT,,,,,,Genesis 6:1..........
"And it came to pass, when MEN began to multiply on the face of the earth, and DAUGHTERS were born unto them".

LOCATION........
"And it came to pass, when MEN began to multiply ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, and daughters were born unto them".

"Sons of God" in Hebrew is........"bene elohim". It then refers to MEN who were in the Godly line of SETH!

Those humans intermarried with the "Daughters of Men" who were of the un-godly line of Cain.

The result of this spiritually mixed marriages brought on the judgment of God....the Flood!

So God destroyed the godly and ungodly together with the flood? That sound out of character. God never judges the righteous with the unrighteous. Even if there is benefit of the doubt He will restrain himself (see: Sodom and Gomorrah). There was a literal sexual intercourse and child-birth of women and fallen angels prior to the flood. The Bible says that exactly. There is no distinction of lineage of Seth or Cain. It was "when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them" that God eventually had to judge the perversion.

 

[Major]

What about Genesis 6:2-4 which says:
"that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

This vulgar union prior to the flood was the reason for the destruction of mankind except for Noah and his immediate family. They were the only ones uncorrupted by the vulgar union of demons (fallen angels) with human women.

While I agree with your assertion pro-holiness of creation producing after its own kind God also told Adam and Eve to not eat of the Tree in the middle of the Garden. The essence of God's judgement is disobedience and both mankind and the fallen angels were and are rebellious. The whole reason for God's flooding the earth was that a pure DNA seed was in jeopardy if He didn't take action to preserve it. God hasn't created anything new since the beginning and He wasn't about to start over. So he preserved what remained and allowed a fresh start on a cleansed earth.

I have to disagree with you brother.

DNA of the Seed was not the reason for the flood. The DNA was all human DNA as Matthew 22:30 says that angels CAN NOT HAVE SEX so the idea of the seed DNA is not in question.

The cause of the Flood was the greatness of mans SIN!

There is not one word or implication of DNA or the Seeds corruption in the Bible.

Genesis 8:21 says however...............
“every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood”!

Now notice..... in Gen. 6:3 it says that the Lord’s response to the actions of the sons of God and daughters of men is the first actual reference to the flood: by saying that “[MANS] days will be a hundred and twenty years,” MANS days. Not demons or angels or angelic marriages or sexual unions but MANS days.

God effectively begins the countdown for the onset of the judgment. This tells us that the flood was God’s direct response to the actions of the sons of God and the daughters of men whose actions were "every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood”!(Gen. 8:21)

 

[Nazarene Servant]

I have to disagree with you brother.

DNA of the Seed was not the reason for the flood. The DNA was all human DNA as Matthew 22:30 says that angels CAN NOT HAVE SEX so the idea of the seed DNA is not in question.

The cause of the Flood was the greatness of mans SIN!

There is not one word or implication of DNA or the Seeds corruption in the Bible.

Genesis 8:21 says however...............
“every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood”!

Now notice..... in Gen. 6:3 it says that the Lord’s response to the actions of the sons of God and daughters of men is the first actual reference to the flood: by saying that “[MANS] days will be a hundred and twenty years,” MANS days. Not demons or angels or angelic marriages or sexual unions but MANS days.

God effectively begins the countdown for the onset of the judgment. This tells us that the flood was God’s direct response to the actions of the sons of God and the daughters of men whose actions were "every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood”!(Gen. 8:21)

I disagree with you also because you are citing references from the very beginning and then jumping to NT. The Fallen Angels were restrained after that and could no longer have intercourse with women, so yes, by the time Matthew came along they couldn't. But they can pervert the judgement of the flood and use the rainbow for new demonic intercourse; homosexuality. I respect you too much to go on with this too much longer though.

 

[Major]

So God destroyed the godly and ungodly together with the flood? That sound out of character. God never judges the righteous with the unrighteous. Even if there is benefit of the doubt He will restrain himself (see: Sodom and Gomorrah). There was a literal sexual intercourse and child-birth of women and fallen angels prior to the flood. The Bible says that exactly. There is no distinction of lineage of Seth or Cain. It was "when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them" that God eventually had to judge the perversion.

Yes. By the time of the flood there was only Noah and his family who were left of the line of Godly line of Seth.

Genesis 6:9-12.........
"These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. 10And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. 11The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth."

Actually my brother, it is exactly God's character! He had Noah preach the gospel and use an ARK as a testimony for 120 years and NO ONE believed Noah. So God then did exactly what He said He would do!

You said.............
"There was a literal sexual intercourse and child-birth of women and fallen angels prior to the flood. "

Show me that in the Scripture!!!!

That is NOT Biblical as Matthew 22:30 explicitly says that angels and humans are not married nor given in marriage. We just can not ignore what Jesus said about this subject! If we say that angels and humans can have intercourse then we are in effect saying Jesus lied.

God did judge the perversion....the Flood.

The intermarriage of the Line of Seth with the Un-Godly line of Cain in the course of time reduced the believers on the face of the earth to 8!

The line of the Messiah runs from Adam to Seth to Noah to Shem and then to David.

 

[Nazarene Servant]

I did, twice so far. Genesis 6:4 "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

 

[Nazarene Servant]

Yes. By the time of the flood there was only Noah and his family who were left of the line of Godly line of Seth.

Genesis 6:9-12.........
"These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. 10And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. 11The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth."

Actually my brother, it is exactly God's character! He had Noah preach the gospel and use an ARK as a testimony for 120 years and NO ONE believed Noah. So God then did exactly what He said He would do!

You said.............
"There was a literal sexual intercourse and child-birth of women and fallen angels prior to the flood. "

Show me that in the Scripture!!!!

That is NOT Biblical as Matthew 22:30 explicitly says that angels and humans are not married nor given in marriage. We just can not ignore what Jesus said about this subject! If we say that angels and humans can have intercourse then we are in effect saying Jesus lied.

God did judge the perversion....the Flood.

The intermarriage of the Line of Seth with the Un-Godly line of Cain in the course of time reduced the believers on the face of the earth to 8!

The line of the Messiah runs from Adam to Seth to Noah to Shem and then to David.

I never said they got married. They had sex.

 

[Major]

I disagree with you also because you are citing references from the very beginning and then jumping to NT. The Fallen Angels were restrained after that and could no longer have intercourse with women, so yes, by the time Matthew came along they couldn't. But they can pervert the judgement of the flood and use the rainbow for new demonic intercourse; homosexuality. I respect you too much to go on with this too much longer though.

It is OK to disagree. It is HOW we disagree that matters. Allow me to show you something.

You just said............
" The Fallen Angels were restrained after that and could no longer have intercourse with women."

Now where in the Scripture do you base the comment on?

Are you saying that AFTER THAT, and THAT being the flood? But you see, there are no Scriptures that I know of that validate that idea.

Matthew 22:30 was said to the Pharisees before the church was founded and they had based there assumption of there not being a heaven on Old Test. Scriptures. Jesus was confirming that there was a heaven, and in that heaven, HUMANS would be LIKE ANGELS and would not marry or be given in marriage in the resurrection......Heaven.

The teaching therefore is that if there was no Sexual relation for angels in marriage in heaven there would then be none for resurrected saint. MEANING then is = Saints in heaven will be like Angels and will be ASEXUAL.

There is no Scripture that suggests any restraint as ASEXUAL means NO SEX therefore there was nothing to restrain!

Now anyone is free to disagree and believe what ever you want to believe. All I am saying is to base your belief in the Scriptures on such an important issue.

 

[Major]

I never said they got married. They had sex.

But you see brother......."The word MARRIAGE is mentioned in the Bible, it is a symbol of the sexual union between a man and a woman in marriage. "

 

[Nazarene Servant]

It is OK to disagree. It is HOW we disagree that matters. Allow me to show you something.

You just said............
" The Fallen Angels were restrained after that and could no longer have intercourse with women."

Now where in the Scripture do you base the comment on?

Are you saying that AFTER THAT, and THAT being the flood? But you see, there are no Scriptures that I know of that validate that idea.

Matthew 22:30 was said to the Pharisees before the church was founded and they had based there assumption of there not being a heaven on Old Test. Scriptures. Jesus was confirming that there was a heaven, and in that heaven, HUMANS would be LIKE ANGELS and would not marry or be given in marriage in the resurrection......Heaven.

The teaching therefore is that if there was no Sexual relation for angels in marriage in heaven there would then be none for resurrected saint. MEANING then is = Saints in heaven will be like Angels and will be ASEXUAL.

There is no Scripture that suggests any restraint as ASEXUAL means NO SEX therefore there was nothing to restrain!

Now anyone is free to disagree and believe what ever you want to believe. All I am saying is to base your belief in the Scriptures on such an important issue.

II Peter 2:4 (NAS) "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, held for judgment;"

 

[Nazarene Servant]

But you see brother......."The word MARRIAGE is mentioned in the Bible, it is a symbol of the sexual union between a man and a woman in marriage. "

There is a lot of symbolism and unspoken parallels being mentioned here. Yes, in a pure relationship there is an indication of marriage and sex. But not when it is flesh and demons. It was pure sexual in nature - no marriage.