Who Will Be The Two Witnesses?

Who do you think

  • John the Baptist

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  • King David

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  • James, Brother of Jesus

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  • Mary Magdalene

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Here's my thinking so far: We are told Christ had a body without original sin but this is the body that died on the cross. I'm going with "new" bodies are not, at least in total, "glorified" bodies.
 
Yes, those who have received glorified, immortal bodies cannot be the Two Witnesses.

Zechariah 14:1-5 is a description of the Post-Millennium return of Jesus, the angels, and the saints who had gone to be citizens of the heavenly city at the Second Coming. It refers not to your "end of the 7-year tribulation Second Coming of Jesus" for the following reason:

Zechariah 9:14 says the Lord God shall blow His Trumpet, which Paul calls the "Trump of God" which he also says is the "Last Trump" which is sounded when He descends and we ascend which means that it cannot be sounded until only after the previous Seven Trumpets have sounded which means your "Rapture" can't take place until after the other Seven Trumpets have sounded which completely unravels Jesuit Futurism.
I encourage you to expand your theology outside of Jesuit dogma to include ALL of the Scriptures Major.

Nope.....That is not Biblical IMO.
 
Nope.....That is not Biblical IMO.
I read another's explanation that Paul is speaking of a "last trump" which follows after a series of "previous trumps", although Paul makes no mention of these other trumpets and describes it as "the trump of God (only one), rather than "a trump of God" (one among several others).
 
The last trump to anyone living at the time of the temple is called the Tekiah haGadolah and is played on 1 Tishri, about which I wrote a very long article on my blog: http://abdicate.net/blog/?p=528

In summary, the last trump has nothing to do with the 7 trumpets of judgment!

I hope you read the article... I go into the prophecy of Proverbs 7!

Yes, and I agree with you.

It was our friend Phoneman who said in comment #82 that.......
"Paul calls the "Trump of God" which he also says is the "Last Trump" which is sounded when He descends and we ascend which means that it cannot be sounded until only after the previous Seven Trumpets have sounded which means your "Rapture" can't take place until after the other Seven Trumpets have sounded which completely unravels Jesuit Futurism."

To that I said NOPE, That is not Biblical!
 
Yes, and I agree with you.

It was our friend Phoneman who said in comment #82 that.......
"Paul calls the "Trump of God" which he also says is the "Last Trump" which is sounded when He descends and we ascend which means that it cannot be sounded until only after the previous Seven Trumpets have sounded which means your "Rapture" can't take place until after the other Seven Trumpets have sounded which completely unravels Jesuit Futurism."

To that I said NOPE, That is not Biblical!
I was just reinforcing your comment...
 
The last trump to anyone living at the time of the temple is called the Tekiah haGadolah and is played on 1 Tishri, about which I wrote a very long article on my blog: http://abdicate.net/blog/?p=528

In summary, the last trump has nothing to do with the 7 trumpets of judgment!

I hope you read the article... I go into the prophecy of Proverbs 7!
In your article you state Jesus was born on Tishri 15. Where is that in the Bible? I know that this idea is based on major assumptions about the timing of John's conception as well as the relevance of Hanukkah, Elijah's cup of wine, and Tabernacles, all of which is pure speculation. This is no different than Catholicism's declaration of the Assumption of Mary based upon "appropriateness and degree of assent". The only clear Biblical evidence available points to a late summer/early fall birth of Jesus.

You assume that the "last trump" has to do with temporal antiquity while disregarding the celestial, supernatural aspect of the events surrounding the "last trump", which has nothing to do with any earthly temple. This is especially true in a day when we anxiously expect to hear that "last trump", seeing that any reestablishment of a temple and sacrificial system in Jerusalem would be an official, nationally declared middle finger in the face of the Lamb of God, and He would never inspire Paul to refer to any such blasphemous, abominable temple as "the Temple of God" (2 Thessalonians 2:4). There are no more celestial, angelic trumpets blown after the Lord blows the "last" celestial trumpet.
 
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This is like the third time I have encountered the shofar. One is in Daniel, the second was a video where a guy was playing one and the third is in your blog. Gosh the sound of it is glorious!
 
I read another's explanation that Paul is speaking of a "last trump" which follows after a series of "previous trumps", although Paul makes no mention of these other trumpets and describes it as "the trump of God (only one), rather than "a trump of God" (one among several others).

God bless you my brother. I know you are sincere but I suspect a little misguided. Again.....I encourage you to look outside of the SDA teachings and to the Scriptures themselves.

The problem we are talking about happens because some of those who believe in the Mid-Tribulation Rapture wrongly teach that the last trump (the trump of God) that removes the Church from the earth at the Rapture is the same as the seventh trumpet blown by the seventh angel in the Book of Revelation (Rev. 11:15-19).

The Biblical fact however is that Trumpets are mentioned almost 100 times in the Bible. But in those more than 100 verses there are no verses that say the last trump (the trump of God) is the same as the seventh trumpet that will be blown by the seventh angel during the Tribulation Period.

Those who say the last trump (the trump of God) is the same as the seventh trumpet that will be blown by the seventh angel during the Tribulation Period just assume that they are the same.

So what has cause this discrepancy in theology????
It’s their interpretation or probably something that they have heard others say, but the truth is that it is not a verse of Scripture in the Bible.
 
In your article you state Jesus was born on Tishri 15. Where is that in the Bible? I know that this idea is based on major assumptions about the timing of John's conception as well as the relevance of Hanukkah, Elijah's cup of wine, and Tabernacles, all of which is pure speculation. This is no different than Catholicism's declaration of the Assumption of Mary based upon "appropriateness and degree of assent". The only clear Biblical evidence available points to a late summer/early fall birth of Jesus.

You assume that the "last trump" has to do with temporal antiquity while disregarding the celestial, supernatural aspect of the events surrounding the "last trump", which has nothing to do with any earthly temple. This is especially true in a day when we anxiously expect to hear that "last trump", seeing that any reestablishment of a temple and sacrificial system in Jerusalem would be an official, nationally declared middle finger in the face of the Lamb of God, and He would never inspire Paul to refer to any such blasphemous, abominable temple as "the Temple of God" (2 Thessalonians 2:4). There are no more celestial, angelic trumpets blown after the Lord blows the "last" celestial trumpet.
Discernment and deduction...
 
In fact, the KJV lists only one time that "last trump" is mentioned:
1Co_15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
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Exo_19:13 There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.
Exo_19:16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.
Exo_19:19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.
Exo_20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
Lev_25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
Num_10:4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee.
Jos_6:5 And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall ascend up every man straight before him.
Jos_6:20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.
Jdg_3:27 And it came to pass, when he was come, that he blew a trumpet in the mountain of Ephraim, and the children of Israel went down with him from the mount, and he before them.
Jdg_6:34 But the Spirit of the LORD came upon Gideon, and he blew a trumpet; and Abiezer was gathered after him.
Jdg_7:16 And he divided the three hundred men into three companies, and he put a trumpet in every man's hand, with empty pitchers, and lamps within the pitchers.
Jdg_7:18 When I blow with a trumpet, I and all that are with me, then blow ye the trumpets also on every side of all the camp, and say, The sword of the LORD, and of Gideon.
1Sa_13:3 And Jonathan smote the garrison of the Philistines that was in Geba, and the Philistines heard of it. And Saul blew the trumpet throughout all the land, saying, Let the Hebrews hear.
2Sa_2:28 So Joab blew a trumpet, and all the people stood still, and pursued after Israel no more, neither fought they any more.
2Sa_6:15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet.
2Sa_15:10 But Absalom sent spies throughout all the tribes of Israel, saying, As soon as ye hear the sound of the trumpet, then ye shall say, Absalom reigneth in Hebron.
2Sa_18:16 And Joab blew the trumpet, and the people returned from pursuing after Israel: for Joab held back the people.
2Sa_20:1 And there happened to be there a man of Belial, whose name was Sheba, the son of Bichri, a Benjamite: and he blew a trumpet, and said, We have no part in David, neither have we inheritance in the son of Jesse: every man to his tents, O Israel.
2Sa_20:22 Then the woman went unto all the people in her wisdom. And they cut off the head of Sheba the son of Bichri, and cast it out to Joab. And he blew a trumpet, and they retired from the city, every man to his tent. And Joab returned to Jerusalem unto the king.
1Ki_1:34 And let Zadok the priest and Nathan the prophet anoint him there king over Israel: and blow ye with the trumpet, and say, God save king Solomon.
1Ki_1:39 And Zadok the priest took an horn of oil out of the tabernacle, and anointed Solomon. And they blew the trumpet; and all the people said, God save king Solomon.
1Ki_1:41 And Adonijah and all the guests that were with him heard it as they had made an end of eating. And when Joab heard the sound of the trumpet, he said, Wherefore is this noise of the city being in an uproar?
Neh_4:18 For the builders, every one had his sword girded by his side, and so builded. And he that sounded the trumpet was by me.
Neh_4:20 In what place therefore ye hear the sound of the trumpet, resort ye thither unto us: our God shall fight for us.
Job_39:24 He swalloweth the ground with fierceness and rage: neither believeth he that it is the sound of the trumpet.
Psa_47:5 God is gone up with a shout, the LORD with the sound of a trumpet.
Psa_81:3 Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.
Psa_150:3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
Isa_18:3 All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign on the mountains; and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye.
Isa_27:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.
Isa_58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
Jer_4:5 Declare ye in Judah, and publish in Jerusalem; and say, Blow ye the trumpet in the land: cry, gather together, and say, Assemble yourselves, and let us go into the defenced cities.
Jer_4:19 My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.
Jer_4:21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
Jer_6:1 O ye children of Benjamin, gather yourselves to flee out of the midst of Jerusalem, and blow the trumpet in Tekoa, and set up a sign of fire in Bethhaccerem: for evil appeareth out of the north, and great destruction.
Jer_6:17 Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.
Jer_42:14 Saying, No; but we will go into the land of Egypt, where we shall see no war, nor hear the sound of the trumpet, nor have hunger of bread; and there will we dwell:
Jer_51:27 Set ye up a standard in the land, blow the trumpet among the nations, prepare the nations against her, call together against her the kingdoms of Ararat, Minni, and Ashchenaz; appoint a captain against her; cause the horses to come up as the rough caterpillers.
Eze_7:14 They have blown the trumpet, even to make all ready; but none goeth to the battle: for my wrath is upon all the multitude thereof.
Eze_33:3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
Eze_33:4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
Eze_33:5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
Eze_33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
Hos_5:8 Blow ye the cornet in Gibeah, and the trumpet in Ramah: cry aloud at Bethaven, after thee, O Benjamin.
Hos_8:1 Set the trumpet to thy mouth. He shall come as an eagle against the house of the LORD, because they have transgressed my covenant, and trespassed against my law.
Joe_2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
Joe_2:15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
Amo_2:2 But I will send a fire upon Moab, and it shall devour the palaces of Kerioth: and Moab shall die with tumult, with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet:
Amo_3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Zep_1:16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
Zec_9:14 And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord GOD shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.
Mat_6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat_24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
1Co_14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
1Co_15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Heb_12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Rev_1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev_4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Rev_8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
Rev_9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
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Trumpets:

Lev_23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
Num_10:2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps.
Num_10:8 And the sons of Aaron, the priests, shall blow with the trumpets; and they shall be to you for an ordinance for ever throughout your generations.
Num_10:9 And if ye go to war in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, then ye shall blow an alarm with the trumpets; and ye shall be remembered before the LORD your God, and ye shall be saved from your enemies.
Num_10:10 Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the LORD your God.
Num_29:1 And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets unto you.
Num_31:6 And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
Jos_6:4 And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets.
Jos_6:6 And Joshua the son of Nun called the priests, and said unto them, Take up the ark of the covenant, and let seven priests bear seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark of the LORD.
Jos_6:8 And it came to pass, when Joshua had spoken unto the people, that the seven priests bearing the seven trumpets of rams' horns passed on before the LORD, and blew with the trumpets: and the ark of the covenant of the LORD followed them.
Jos_6:9 And the armed men went before the priests that blew with the trumpets, and the rereward came after the ark, the priests going on, and blowing with the trumpets.
Jos_6:13 And seven priests bearing seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark of the LORD went on continually, and blew with the trumpets: and the armed men went before them; but the rereward came after the ark of the LORD, the priests going on, and blowing with the trumpets.
Jos_6:16 And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the LORD hath given you the city.
Jos_6:20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.
Jdg_7:8 So the people took victuals in their hand, and their trumpets: and he sent all the rest of Israel every man unto his tent, and retained those three hundred men: and the host of Midian was beneath him in the valley.
Jdg_7:18 When I blow with a trumpet, I and all that are with me, then blow ye the trumpets also on every side of all the camp, and say, The sword of the LORD, and of Gideon.
Jdg_7:19 So Gideon, and the hundred men that were with him, came unto the outside of the camp in the beginning of the middle watch; and they had but newly set the watch: and they blew the trumpets, and brake the pitchers that were in their hands.
Jdg_7:20 And the three companies blew the trumpets, and brake the pitchers, and held the lamps in their left hands, and the trumpets in their right hands to blow withal: and they cried, The sword of the LORD, and of Gideon.
Jdg_7:22 And the three hundred blew the trumpets, and the LORD set every man's sword against his fellow, even throughout all the host: and the host fled to Bethshittah in Zererath, and to the border of Abelmeholah, unto Tabbath.
2Ki_9:13 Then they hasted, and took every man his garment, and put it under him on the top of the stairs, and blew with trumpets, saying, Jehu is king.
2Ki_11:14 And when she looked, behold, the king stood by a pillar, as the manner was, and the princes and the trumpeters by the king, and all the people of the land rejoiced, and blew with trumpets: and Athaliah rent her clothes, and cried, Treason, Treason.
2Ki_12:13 Howbeit there were not made for the house of the LORD bowls of silver, snuffers, basons, trumpets, any vessels of gold, or vessels of silver, of the money that was brought into the house of the LORD:
1Ch_13:8 And David and all Israel played before God with all their might, and with singing, and with harps, and with psalteries, and with timbrels, and with cymbals, and with trumpets.
1Ch_15:24 And Shebaniah, and Jehoshaphat, and Nethaneel, and Amasai, and Zechariah, and Benaiah, and Eliezer, the priests, did blow with the trumpets before the ark of God: and Obededom and Jehiah were doorkeepers for the ark.
1Ch_15:28 Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting, and with sound of the cornet, and with trumpets, and with cymbals, making a noise with psalteries and harps.
1Ch_16:6 Benaiah also and Jahaziel the priests with trumpets continually before the ark of the covenant of God.
1Ch_16:42 And with them Heman and Jeduthun with trumpets and cymbals for those that should make a sound, and with musical instruments of God. And the sons of Jeduthun were porters.
2Ch_5:12 Also the Levites which were the singers, all of them of Asaph, of Heman, of Jeduthun, with their sons and their brethren, being arrayed in white linen, having cymbals and psalteries and harps, stood at the east end of the altar, and with them an hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets:)
2Ch_5:13 It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of musick, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD;
2Ch_7:6 And the priests waited on their offices: the Levites also with instruments of musick of the LORD, which David the king had made to praise the LORD, because his mercy endureth for ever, when David praised by their ministry; and the priests sounded trumpets before them, and all Israel stood.
2Ch_13:12 And, behold, God himself is with us for our captain, and his priests with sounding trumpets to cry alarm against you. O children of Israel, fight ye not against the LORD God of your fathers; for ye shall not prosper.
2Ch_13:14 And when Judah looked back, behold, the battle was before and behind: and they cried unto the LORD, and the priests sounded with the trumpets.
2Ch_15:14 And they sware unto the LORD with a loud voice, and with shouting, and with trumpets, and with cornets.
2Ch_20:28 And they came to Jerusalem with psalteries and harps and trumpets unto the house of the LORD.
2Ch_23:13 And she looked, and, behold, the king stood at his pillar at the entering in, and the princes and the trumpets by the king: and all the people of the land rejoiced, and sounded with trumpets, also the singers with instruments of musick, and such as taught to sing praise. Then Athaliah rent her clothes, and said, Treason, Treason.
2Ch_29:26 And the Levites stood with the instruments of David, and the priests with the trumpets.
2Ch_29:27 And Hezekiah commanded to offer the burnt offering upon the altar. And when the burnt offering began, the song of the LORD began also with the trumpets, and with the instruments ordained by David king of Israel.
Ezr_3:10 And when the builders laid the foundation of the temple of the LORD, they set the priests in their apparel with trumpets, and the Levites the sons of Asaph with cymbals, to praise the LORD, after the ordinance of David king of Israel.
Neh_12:35 And certain of the priests' sons with trumpets; namely, Zechariah the son of Jonathan, the son of Shemaiah, the son of Mattaniah, the son of Michaiah, the son of Zaccur, the son of Asaph:
Neh_12:41 And the priests; Eliakim, Maaseiah, Miniamin, Michaiah, Elioenai, Zechariah, and Hananiah, with trumpets;
Job_39:25 He saith among the trumpets, Ha, ha; and he smelleth the battle afar off, the thunder of the captains, and the shouting.
Psa_98:6 With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.
Rev_8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
Rev_8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
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God bless you my brother. I know you are sincere but I suspect a little misguided. Again.....I encourage you to look outside of the SDA teachings and to the Scriptures themselves.

The problem we are talking about happens because some of those who believe in the Mid-Tribulation Rapture wrongly teach that the last trump (the trump of God) that removes the Church from the earth at the Rapture is the same as the seventh trumpet blown by the seventh angel in the Book of Revelation (Rev. 11:15-19).

The Biblical fact however is that Trumpets are mentioned almost 100 times in the Bible. But in those more than 100 verses there are no verses that say the last trump (the trump of God) is the same as the seventh trumpet that will be blown by the seventh angel during the Tribulation Period.

Those who say the last trump (the trump of God) is the same as the seventh trumpet that will be blown by the seventh angel during the Tribulation Period just assume that they are the same.

So what has cause this discrepancy in theology????
It’s their interpretation or probably something that they have heard others say, but the truth is that it is not a verse of Scripture in the Bible.
Thank you, brother Major, and I would say the same to you about your misguided beliefs and encourage you to look outside of Jesuit Futurism and seek out Biblically sound teaching, seeing that it is an idea that was born out of an institution which has failed to gain a Biblically sound position on the most fundamental teaching of Christianity: Salvation by grace through faith, and has demonstrated such in every other case with regard to the doctrines of that institution.

Again, the "last trump" is a celestial, heavenly trump blown by God which follows the other seven celestial, heavenly trumpets sounded by angels.
 
@Phoneman777, for a moment, put aside your symbolic witnesses, and tell who, if it was a biblical figure, you would choose as the 2 witnesses. We won't hold you to it because we all know it's speculation. Make a case for your favorite.
 
Discernment and deduction...
Yes, one can easily discern and deduce from Scripture that during the Sixth plague, which follow the 7 Churches, 7 Seals, and 7 Trumpets, Jesus is yet warning His people to be ready to meet Him when He comes as a thief.
 
@Phoneman777, for a moment, put aside your symbolic witnesses, and tell who, if it was a biblical figure, you would choose as the 2 witnesses. We won't hold you to it because we all know it's speculation. Make a case for your favorite.
Silk, I can't assign literal men as the Two Witnesses, for they are referred to as "trees" and "candlesticks", and as I've stated before, unless they are some unholy amalgamation of human and plant DNA with metallurgy thrown in to boot, the Two Witnesses are symbolic, which is to be expected according to John's statement about the format used by Jesus for His Revelation to us (Revelation 1:1 KJV) - in symbolism.
 
Yes, one can easily discern and deduce from Scripture that during the Sixth plague, which follow the 7 Churches, 7 Seals, and 7 Trumpets, Jesus is yet warning His people to be ready to meet Him when He comes as a thief.
You can't pick and choose to conclude anything.
 
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