Why We Are Losing
- Thread starter Mike Flanaganmenstein
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Actually nothing what so ever depends on the Church!
I do not know of any thing that has less power than does the Church!!! The church can do nothing about the moral sins of the world and actually it just sits on its hind legs and allows the world to do what it wants to do.
That is why abortion is the law of the land. Excuse me...KILLING BABIES.
That is why homosexuality is considered a sickness instead of a sin.
That is why a convicted mugger gets out of jail before his victim gets out of the hospital.
That is why high schools in America now have nurseries for new born on campus.
CONTEXT! NEW has nothing to do with it! It is not that they have been going on forever......they have.
The point of Jesus in Matthew 24 was .......
"When you see THESE THINGS know then that the coming of the Son of Man is neigh".
It is when all the things Jesus was asked about the end of the world start to happen all at the same time, THAT is when we need to be looking up because Jesus is coming soon.
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Please quote the Bible verse to verify your opinion Dave.
Have you ever been hit by a whip or had a table fall on you?????
I do not mean to be mean spirited with you, but you have a lot of comments but never any Scripture to validate your opinion.
I am one who needs and expects to see Scripture when comments like yours are made or I tend to ignore them since they are only opinions.
So, please do me the favor of posting Scripture to validate your comments because I really want you to feel welcome here and stay for awhile.
Dave.......please post the Scriptures which prove your point!
OOPS......this was directed to Dave...not Larry! Sorry Larry!
Please explain how you know that.
Haha, don't try to make me scramble the Scriptutes to find Marx in there.
Thank you fr your answer. I think it is important to be nice though and to try and not offend others. If we want to shape an all inclusive society like the one Jesus tried to create (you cant tell me eating with prostitutes is not all inclusive, especially in the good ol' days(and by good old days I mean ancient times)) we all must be able to get along with one another and try to minimize offensive unnecessary words and ideas.
Being nice is one thing, and I'm not suggesting an exclusive mentality. But when Christ spent time with tax collectors and prostitutes, He didn't condone their activity, but expressed what was righteous.
That is something that is almost always considered rude and absolutely not OK. I don't want to hurt anyone, but I think as Christians we also have a responsibility. If I love someone that much, I should help them own the right path, even if it they won't appreciate it at first.
Major I like some of your answers but why do we as Christians have such a double standard?! On one hand we are opposed to killing infants but on the other hand we cheer when God does it (in God father form) in the OT. We are either for or against killing children. We can't play both sides of the fence and expect people to not laugh in our face. This plays into the main point that I made at the top of this thread. God bless
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I don't think using emotionally charged language is particularly effective, people can usually see right through hyerbole.
Actually it's neither sin nor sickness but a normal variation in human sexuality, it hasn't been considered a sickness since the 1970s. The APA has made enormous advances since then.
I understand what you are saying but who are we to judge if someone is on the right path or not. The Bible states that we are all sinners and therefore fall short of the glory of God. We need to lead by example, not judge by example.
God already conquered evil when Jesus Christ sacrificed himself for our sins. God already won.
I wouldn't suggest judging people, but we can judge certain actions as right from wrong, as we should...and not in a way that suggests we aren't flawed, but by expressing why we are in such desperate need of a savior.
Christians have an obligation to help people, and if we turn a blind eye to sin, then we aren't doing anyone any favors.
KingJ's post: Amen to God is love! God is good! God told us to 'turn the left cheek' in the NT. In the old, He wanted us to love our neighbor as ourselves Lev 19:18. So we have the same God OT and NT, correct? So, HOW do you explain these verses to the unsaved?
OT:
1. Gen 6:11-17, Gen 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass murderer in history.
2. Gen 19:26 God personally sees to it that Lot's wife is turned to a pillar of salt (for having looked behind her while fleeing the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah).
3. Exo 9:22-25 A plague of hail from the Lord strikes down everything in the fields of Egypt both man and beast except in Goshen where the Israelites reside
4. Exo 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt.
5. Exo 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows down Amalek and his people.
6. Exo 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men.
7. Num 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
8. Num 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the Canaanites.
9. Num 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
10. Deut 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to "utterly destroy" and shown "no mercy" to those whom he gives them for defeat.
NT:
1. Matt 10:35-36 For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a man's enemies will be the members of his own family.
2. Matt 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of] three cities who were not sufficiently impressed with his great works.
3. Matt 3:42 Some will spend eternity burning in Hell. There will be weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth.<br/>
My reply: I'm guessing that only God's followers are considered our neighbors. And the wicked or non-believers are the enemies.
OT:
1. Gen 6:11-17, Gen 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass murderer in history.
2. Gen 19:26 God personally sees to it that Lot's wife is turned to a pillar of salt (for having looked behind her while fleeing the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah).
3. Exo 9:22-25 A plague of hail from the Lord strikes down everything in the fields of Egypt both man and beast except in Goshen where the Israelites reside
4. Exo 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt.
5. Exo 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows down Amalek and his people.
6. Exo 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men.
7. Num 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
8. Num 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the Canaanites.
9. Num 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
10. Deut 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to "utterly destroy" and shown "no mercy" to those whom he gives them for defeat.
NT:
1. Matt 10:35-36 For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a man's enemies will be the members of his own family.
2. Matt 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of] three cities who were not sufficiently impressed with his great works.
3. Matt 3:42 Some will spend eternity burning in Hell. There will be weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth.<br/>
My reply: I'm guessing that only God's followers are considered our neighbors. And the wicked or non-believers are the enemies.
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I know but the puritans said the same thing and look at how many innocent people died
Maybe we should just stick to what Jesus said about casting the first stone if you are without sin. Let God sort em' outJesus was talking about not being a hypocrite when He said that, He didn't mean don't expose sin.I know but the puritans said the same thing and look at how many innocent people died
And He's right. We can't claim we are without sin or that we are better, but if we know truth--Christian truth--we are called to tell the evangelize the faith, defend the faith, and try to bring people to Him. But we can't do that by doing nothing. And simply being nice not only doesn't do enough, but it even misguides pretty heavily.
Precisely. He was talking about not being a hypocrite, I couldn't agree with you more brother! Bless you