Very....very true!
Liberal Theology?
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Very....very true!
You know, the names don't impress me one iota, (and I know many) whether it comes from the Pre-Nicene Fathers, the Reformational period, the Puritans or whatever, not one of their writings are as inspired as we find in Scripture.
Many Christians love to 'name drop' to impress others, but it doesn't fool God...
1 Corinthians 1:12 (KJV) Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:6 (KJV) I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1 Corinthians 3:7 (KJV) So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Hello bobinfaith,
Thank you very much. I guess it is language and "cultural differences". With Major I also had a misunderstanding recently... but solved!
It's just that if one starts with "I do receive and respect your thought ..." then one expects a "but" and then a more or less direct criticism follows. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I jumped to conclusions and I do not like to leave things unclear.
God bless you and your family as well.
alxb
Hello crossnote and YeshuaFan;
Good points and I would like to respond.
The theologian authors and their books from the 20s - 40s may have been correct in those times of chaos - WW1, WW2, the Depression, etc...but as times go by many of these books are revised for a reason because of the new directions pointing to Christ in society of believers and those not yet saved.
But the Word of God always stands from the beginning through today. We may use trends, even in the church as an excuse but not in the eyes of God. He is always consistent.
When YeshuaFan mentions the faith goes in a type of liberal, self doctrine chaos, the liberal attitude in the church really bothers me. For example, some churches have accepted same sex marriage, even between ministers, or abortions depending on the circumstances.
We must remember, God gave us the liberal freedom to accept Him, but God is not liberal to Who He Is and will not change.
God bless you all and your families.
YOu know.......I once said "I DO receive you", and I have been married to that same woman now for 52 years.
I hear you Bob. Yes, things change. Yes, culture and society changes. However, the Word of God does not.
I remember reading recently about a “church” in New York where the sermons were all based on the social issues of the day. Sadly, they avoided any mention of the sins that lead to so many of our problems, and they failed to proclaim the truth about the Redeemer and Savior who came to rescue us.
Thomas Jefferson once went through his Bible and actually cut out the portions he disagreed with. Some today try to do the same thing. They pick and choose what they want to follow. Some disregard the entire Old Testament, saying it’s not relevant.
Well, the apostles preached from the Old Testament. Jesus quoted the Old Testament. There are hundreds of Old Testament quotations in the New Testament. Second Timothy 3:16 says that “All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness
I know that you believe and understand that what God said was sin thousands of years ago is still sin today and I and gld to see you stand up for the Word of God.
Welcome to the world of "Dinosaurs" my friend.
Yes, theology as the study of God, derives its true source from the Word of God.
Words of men can be helpful at times, but can also be confusing at other times.
All of men's teachings should always be checked against the higher Authority...
Acts 17:11 (KJV) These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
1 John 5:9a(KJV) If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater:
Dear alxbo521.......Theology is actually the study of the nature of God and religious belief.
Now the key to that understanding is that not every one believes that there is a God whose Word is found in the Bible.
To some.....God is found in "self".
To others...God is found in nature.
Christian theology then is simply an attempt to understand God as He is revealed in the Bible through Jesus Christ. No theology will ever fully explain God and His ways because God is infinitely and eternally higher than we are. Therefore, any attempt to describe Him will fall short.
Our historical view of theology has been built up upon prior giants of the Faith, as their views on doctrines in the scriptures is much deeper then much of the current theology of how it feels good and what can God do for me today?
it used to be the bible stated this view, so was settled and all must agree with God, now for many its not mandatory to agree with scriptures and God, as we still have "freedom to choose"
Hello alxb0521;
Thank you, brother, no worries. I feel we're all blessed the Lord led you here to Christian Forum Site for some good fellowship.
It kind of reminds me of hanging out with Moses and Joshua. These are guys who would have helped me learn more about God and living in obedience, except when Moses would get mad at me and raise his right and left arms for interrupting him. lol!
God is Good!
Hi Bob,
IMHO, WWII at least on the Western Front, would not have happened if the German Church had not been duped by a madman. They were duped because they had let go of their rich biblical heritage due to the theological liberalism of the 19th Century such as Albrecht Ritschl, Schleiermacher, Wilhelm Herrmann and Adolf von Harnack.
Many writers in the early 20th century were influenced by these 'big boys'.
Times may change but God's Word/truths change not.
Hello crossnote;
I'm with you and was making a point less the details. Would you agree this is why revisions or discontinuation of the scholar's Biblical text books were in order because of society's new directions pointing to Christ, theological changes toward liberalism and the events and tragedies of humans, etc..?
When I mentioned society's new directions pointing to Christ I'm referring to a book by Gary L. McIntosh titled One Church Four Generations which is a good read and helped me understand the generations from the late 19th, 20th and 21st centuries in the church.
Times may change but God's Word/truths change not. Amen to that!
ok, hypothetical scenario....(lets pretend ok.. for the benefit of people like me who might be lurking around here wondering what God is and does for us) (that's what I did, I lurked around for a while, confused)
if people agreed the bible was true, they only have to believe, like I did, and then maybe read some of it laters, and thinks, well, ok, im a sinner. then believe in this higher power which was not me or anyone else, but a personal saviour who is wanting to save me, and is watching me. And He will take away their sins (and you don't even have to want Him to take away your sins because you enjoy them.... do they by this point need to know who or what God/Jesus is, (I didn't), except that He is all powerful creator of the universe who knows more than I do about what is good/bad/right/wrong).) voila......and then just wait and trust.
so come on all you lurkers what's so hard about that? all you need to do is believe and then see.
it is really that simple, right?
edit...sorry for going off topic. but I read of someone yesterday struggling with alcoholism and he stopped drinking by himself 9 month ago, and still struggles with wanting a drink. and I thought> if that was me without God I would have caved. I tried to stop smoking so many times and its only when I believed God would do it it actually happened. this cannot be some co-incidence.
if people agreed the bible was true, they only have to believe, like I did, and then maybe read some of it laters, and thinks, well, ok, im a sinner. then believe in this higher power which was not me or anyone else, but a personal saviour who is wanting to save me, and is watching me. And He will take away their sins (and you don't even have to want Him to take away your sins because you enjoy them.... do they by this point need to know who or what God/Jesus is, (I didn't), except that He is all powerful creator of the universe who knows more than I do about what is good/bad/right/wrong).) voila......and then just wait and trust.
so come on all you lurkers what's so hard about that? all you need to do is believe and then see.
it is really that simple, right?
edit...sorry for going off topic. but I read of someone yesterday struggling with alcoholism and he stopped drinking by himself 9 month ago, and still struggles with wanting a drink. and I thought> if that was me without God I would have caved. I tried to stop smoking so many times and its only when I believed God would do it it actually happened. this cannot be some co-incidence.
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Ok. I'm in a posting mood today and then there was Via. lol!
Lurking is someone who is behind the scenes, quiet in darkness while acknowledging Christ in the Light. We all have our lurking moments but Jesus loves those who are saved and love Him but struggle with sin, will lovingly reach out and bring us back into the Light.
It's a lifetime work in progress for all of us but Christ will guide us, forgive us of our weaknesses, even liberal attitudes with Him and redeem us back to restoration, all for His glory.
Does this help, sister? God bless you and your family.
I do believe the papers called "The Fundamentals" that came out in the early 20th Century, were a step in the right direction.
Thanks for the head`s up, I`ll give it a look.
