It does seem thnat the AOG has decided then to go more into Charismatic Chaos, as when I was a teaching Elder there, was not into that much at all. was preety Evangelical!
Very....very true!
It does seem thnat the AOG has decided then to go more into Charismatic Chaos, as when I was a teaching Elder there, was not into that much at all. was preety Evangelical!
You know, the names don't impress me one iota, (and I know many) whether it comes from the Pre-Nicene Fathers, the Reformational period, the Puritans or whatever, not one of their writings are as inspired as we find in Scripture.Sad that many do not even know of the names I mentioned, but even sadder many do not know what those you mentioned wrote!
Hello bobinfaith,Hello alxb0521;
Thank you for asking clarification of my post, no constructive criticism intended. I'm echoing what Musicmaster posted. I really don't know much about William Barclay, just the same, when I mention theologian scholars to others in our discussions about Jesus they are not familiar with these authors.
This is why I am open to learning and now can research William Barclay to get a better understanding.
God bless you, brother, and your family.
Depends how old, the 20 thru 40's produced an onslaught of theological liberalism. If one is referring about the early Puritans or the Reformation writers then you have some decent material. Of course there are always a few exceptions.
I was speraking towards writers such as a Calvin, Luther, Hodgh, Berkof etc!
I did mention Reformation writers (Calvin/Luther) as being decent, as far as Hodge and Berkhof, why settle for stale bread?
It does seem thnat the AOG has decided then to go more into Charismatic Chaos, as when I was a teaching Elder there, was not into that much at all. was preety Evangelical!
Hello bobinfaith,
Thank you very much. I guess it is language and "cultural differences". With Major I also had a misunderstanding recently... but solved!
It's just that if one starts with "I do receive and respect your thought ..." then one expects a "but" and then a more or less direct criticism follows. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I jumped to conclusions and I do not like to leave things unclear.
God bless you and your family as well.
alxb
Hello crossnote and YeshuaFan;
Good points and I would like to respond.
The theologian authors and their books from the 20s - 40s may have been correct in those times of chaos - WW1, WW2, the Depression, etc...but as times go by many of these books are revised for a reason because of the new directions pointing to Christ in society of believers and those not yet saved.
But the Word of God always stands from the beginning through today. We may use trends, even in the church as an excuse but not in the eyes of God. He is always consistent.
When YeshuaFan mentions the faith goes in a type of liberal, self doctrine chaos, the liberal attitude in the church really bothers me. For example, some churches have accepted same sex marriage, even between ministers, or abortions depending on the circumstances.
We must remember, God gave us the liberal freedom to accept Him, but God is not liberal to Who He Is and will not change.
God bless you all and your families.
Yes, theology as the study of God, derives its true source from the Word of God.I do not know to which post to reply so I just write it like this: I personally think, there is nothing wrong with "theology", as long as it is in the truth. Theology is (or should be) just a focussed/systematic approach towards the Bible and God.
I do not know to which post to reply so I just write it like this: I personally think, there is nothing wrong with "theology", as long as it is in the truth. Theology is (or should be) just a focussed/systematic approach towards the Bible and God.
Our historical view of theology has been built up upon prior giants of the Faith, as their views on doctrines in the scriptures is much deeper then much of the current theology of how it feels good and what can God do for me today?You know, the names don't impress me one iota, (and I know many) whether it comes from the Pre-Nicene Fathers, the Reformational period, the Puritans or whatever, not one of their writings are as inspired as we find in Scripture.
Many Christians love to 'name drop' to impress others, but it doesn't fool God...
1 Corinthians 1:12 (KJV) Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:6 (KJV) I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1 Corinthians 3:7 (KJV) So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
it used to be the bible stated this view, so was settled and all must agree with God, now for many its not mandatory to agree with scriptures and God, as we still have "freedom to choose"Hello crossnote and YeshuaFan;
Good points and I would like to respond.
The theologian authors and their books from the 20s - 40s may have been correct in those times of chaos - WW1, WW2, the Depression, etc...but as times go by many of these books are revised for a reason because of the new directions pointing to Christ in society of believers and those not yet saved.
But the Word of God always stands from the beginning through today. We may use trends, even in the church as an excuse but not in the eyes of God. He is always consistent.
When YeshuaFan mentions the faith goes in a type of liberal, self doctrine chaos, the liberal attitude in the church really bothers me. For example, some churches have accepted same sex marriage, even between ministers, or abortions depending on the circumstances.
We must remember, God gave us the liberal freedom to accept Him, but God is not liberal to Who He Is and will not change.
God bless you all and your families.
Hello bobinfaith,
Thank you very much. I guess it is language and "cultural differences". With Major I also had a misunderstanding recently... but solved!
It's just that if one starts with "I do receive and respect your thought ..." then one expects a "but" and then a more or less direct criticism follows. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I jumped to conclusions and I do not like to leave things unclear.
God bless you and your family as well.
alxb
Hi Bob,The theologian authors and their books from the 20s - 40s may have been correct in those times of chaos - WW1, WW2, the Depression, etc...but as times go by many of these books are revised for a reason because of the new directions pointing to Christ in society of believers and those not yet saved.
Hi Bob,
IMHO, WWII at least on the Western Front, would not have happened if the German Church had not been duped by a madman. They were duped because they had let go of their rich biblical heritage due to the theological liberalism of the 19th Century such as Albrecht Ritschl, Schleiermacher, Wilhelm Herrmann and Adolf von Harnack.
Many writers in the early 20th century were influenced by these 'big boys'.
Times may change but God's Word/truths change not.
ok, hypothetical scenario....(lets pretend ok.. for the benefit of people like me who might be lurking around here wondering what God is and does for us) (that's what I did, I lurked around for a while, confused)
if people agreed the bible was true, they only have to believe, like I did, and then maybe read some of it laters, and thinks, well, ok, im a sinner. then believe in this higher power which was not me or anyone else, but a personal saviour who is wanting to save me, and is watching me. And He will take away their sins (and you don't even have to want Him to take away your sins because you enjoy them.... do they by this point need to know who or what God/Jesus is, (I didn't), except that He is all powerful creator of the universe who knows more than I do about what is good/bad/right/wrong).) voila......and then just wait and trust.
so come on all you lurkers what's so hard about that? all you need to do is believe and then see.
it is really that simple, right?
Ok. I'm in a posting mood today and then there was Via. lol!
Lurking is someone who is behind the scenes, quiet in darkness while acknowledging Christ in the Light. We all have our lurking moments but Jesus loves those who are saved and love Him but struggle with sin, will lovingly reach out and bring us back into the Light.
It's a lifetime work in progress for all of us but Christ will guide us, forgive us of our weaknesses, even liberal attitudes with Him and redeem us back to restoration, all for His glory.
Does this help, sister? God bless you and your family.
I'll concur, once I see the Temple being re-built.This is just my personal opinion MM. I am not convinced that the world situation can be turned around. It just may be that what we are seeing and living in is exactly what God has said we would be doing in these last days.
I for one believe that we are in those last days where God has already told us in Matthew 24:12......
"And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."
Why?
2 Timothy 4:3-4.............
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."
That time is here now.....IMO!
2 Timothy 3:1-7...........
"But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. 6 For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, 7 always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth."
Does that mean we as the church should stop reaching out to do what we are called by God to do....NO!
My church in fact owns a house in which we allow unwed mothers, and pregnant women out of wedlock to live until they can be on there own.
It runs much like the Ronald McDonald house operates.
We also fund a counseling operation in town for those who have had an abortion and are suffering the consequences.
We also have a group that meets every week called "Recovery" for those coming out of addiction!
All of this "liberates" those people and gives them the ability to be set free from their guilt and bondage. It costs them nothing and all is funded by the believers of the church who want to show these people the love of Christ.
All we ask is that they attend Sunday worship services and listen to the Word of God. When they here that no matter what they have done.......
God still loves them and in Christ, died to set them free....that is the payment for what is being done for them. THAT is what brings tears to eyes of the church when those individuals come to Christ and walk down the isle!!!!
I do believe the papers called "The Fundamentals" that came out in the early 20th Century, were a step in the right direction.I'm with you and was making a point less the details. Would you agree this is why revisions or discontinuation of the scholar's Biblical text books were in order because of society's new directions pointing to Christ, theological changes toward liberalism and the events and tragedies of humans, etc..?
Thanks for the head`s up, I`ll give it a look.When I mentioned society's new directions pointing to Christ I'm referring to a book by Gary L. McIntosh titled One Church Four Generations which is a good read and helped me understand the generations from the late 19th, 20th and 21st centuries in the church.