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I believe America will soon turn it's back on Israel thus inviting God's judgment. A lot of American Christian leaders have bought into and teach a fascist form of Christianity that advocates the accumulation of wealth. They also pander to the rich and encourage good "corporate citizenship" to acquire material desires and corporate advancement, coupling one's standing with the Lord with their socio/economic status.
You even see it on this forum in how an affliction becomes ammunition to judge a person's standing before our King. Someone down and out is encouraged to be seen as cursed or out of favor with our Lord. The State encourages this as it moves away from individual rights and headlong toward corporate control of our society. "Obamacare" is corporate control of our healthcare(fascism). If you are productive, you are praised. If you are non-working, you are a detriment.
White vs black. Rich vs poor. Conservative vs liberal. Working vs "the entitled". Christian vs everyone. The nation is under attack from within and without. The greatest nation ever to be is soon to be no more. It has fulfilled it's role as mid-wife in the birth of Israel. We turn away and become irrelevent and our own doing becomes our undoing.
Dan.......our President has already turned his back on Israel!!!!
 
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There is no doubt the prosperity and blessing of the USA are tied to our having a close relationship with Israel. Our current administration has taken a different road toward Israel which is not good.
Amen brother and according to the Scriptures...."we shall reap what we have sown".
 
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IMO, man was meant to be accountable for himself to God alone. God didn't/doesn't want governments or monarchies. Read this next scripture and insert your country for Egypt.
“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Now as for America, few people know it is still a colony of Great Britain. Read the secret treaty of Verona.

Another example is the oath Attorneys take in America to the BAR(British Accreditation Research). That's also why all governors have to be lawyers.

I could go on and on about how messed up America is; a lot of it has to do with the public fool system and msm.

 
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I believe America will soon turn it's back on Israel thus inviting God's judgment. A lot of American Christian leaders have bought into and teach a fascist form of Christianity that advocates the accumulation of wealth. They also pander to the rich and encourage good "corporate citizenship" to acquire material desires and corporate advancement, coupling one's standing with the Lord with their socio/economic status.
You even see it on this forum in how an affliction becomes ammunition to judge a person's standing before our King. Someone down and out is encouraged to be seen as cursed or out of favor with our Lord. The State encourages this as it moves away from individual rights and headlong toward corporate control of our society. "Obamacare" is corporate control of our healthcare(fascism). If you are productive, you are praised. If you are non-working, you are a detriment.
White vs black. Rich vs poor. Conservative vs liberal. Working vs "the entitled". Christian vs everyone. The nation is under attack from within and without. The greatest nation ever to be is soon to be no more. It has fulfilled it's role as mid-wife in the birth of Israel. We turn away and become irrelevent and our own doing becomes our undoing.
It's not our responsibility to protect Israel. There is no scripture saying we have to protect Israel. God is more than able to protect Isreal.

Now coming against Israel would not be very bright. Fighting God is a dumb thing to do.

Indeed! The end-times come because the church has become ineffective. To save S&G there had to be an Abraham contending on their behalf. Abraham was a friend of God. I see far too many pseudo-christians and perpetual babes. I too rank in the "teen" area in my opinion. I don't see many friends of God or even sons of God. I know people will throw verses up saying we are, but I say then, where's the actions to reflect the title? (I speak to myself) I show all this to point out the patterns so everyone can know. I'm not the judge, just a messenger. Thanks for the kind words.
NO, the Church is not ineffective. No, far from it. He is able to present a glorious church without spot or wrinkle. There was no Covenant with America, there is only one Covenant and that is the One God made with Abraham by which we are Abraham's seed.

There were men in authority who followed God, and God honored those men. We have men in office today that honor God, and God moves on their behalf.

America never had a Covenant with God. God is not making new covenants. God said you do this, and I'll do that. It's always been that way. America is nothing special but by those that are the Lords here in America, but not only America, but the whole world.

The Church is not getting weaker, but stronger. God said in due time I'll bring light to that which was dark. Grey will no longer be grey. What people are seeing is the effects of the last days. What looked like church in the past is shown to not be church. The ones that have honored God in faith and obedience get brighter the grey gets darker. It's now more noticable.

God gave time to repent, and many evil deeds unnoticed for that room to get things right. As we approach the final days, the light on the dark and grey area's will get brighter.
 
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Here is a thought..........Suppose that there is an event called the Rapture. IF it happens, what do you think the result will be in the USA?????
Here is another thought - suppose Russia goes to war against Euriope/NATO and nukes Rome. At the same time Turkey and a host of Islamic nations from Northern Africa through to Iran and Pakistan come down on the hills of Israel?
What would the United States under an Obama Administration do?
The pandemonium of a collapsed economy and people all competing against each other for food and water would be catastrophic. You don't need a supposed rapture event to bring the world on its knees.
 
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Here is another thought - suppose Russia goes to war against Euriope/NATO and nukes Rome. At the same time Turkey and a host of Islamic nations from Northern Africa through to Iran and Pakistan come down on the hills of Israel?
What would the United States under an Obama Administration do?
The pandemonium of a collapsed economy and people all competing against each other for food and water would be catastrophic. You don't need a supposed rapture event to bring the world on its knees.
No you do not. However it certainly would do that wouldn't it???

According to Ezekiel 38.....It will be Russia invading Israel. Europe will be the instrument of the A/C.

Mr. Obama will do nothing whatsoever.
 
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It's not our responsibility to protect Israel. There is no scripture saying we have to protect Israel. God is more than able to protect Isreal.

Now coming against Israel would not be very bright. Fighting God is a dumb thing to do.



NO, the Church is not ineffective. No, far from it. He is able to present a glorious church without spot or wrinkle. There was no Covenant with America, there is only one Covenant and that is the One God made with Abraham by which we are Abraham's seed.

There were men in authority who followed God, and God honored those men. We have men in office today that honor God, and God moves on their behalf.

America never had a Covenant with God. God is not making new covenants. God said you do this, and I'll do that. It's always been that way. America is nothing special but by those that are the Lords here in America, but not only America, but the whole world.

The Church is not getting weaker, but stronger. God said in due time I'll bring light to that which was dark. Grey will no longer be grey. What people are seeing is the effects of the last days. What looked like church in the past is shown to not be church. The ones that have honored God in faith and obedience get brighter the grey gets darker. It's now more noticable.

God gave time to repent, and many evil deeds unnoticed for that room to get things right. As we approach the final days, the light on the dark and grey area's will get brighter.
Jim.....where in the world are you living that you see the church getting stronger????? You are kidding us, right????

Divorce is 52 %.
We kill 1.5 million unborn humans a year.
Pornography is the #1 product on the internet.
Church attendance is down 25% just in the last 10 years.
We now have made homosexual marriages legal.

And you say the church is getting stronger with more power????

Jim, you are living and thinking in some kind of fantasy my brother.
 
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No you do not. However it certainly would do that wouldn't it???

According to Ezekiel 38.....It will be Russia invading Israel. Europe will be the instrument of the A/C.

Mr. Obama will do nothing whatsoever.
I hope Obama won't be in the picture, otherwise we best be getting ready real quick.
 
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It's not our responsibility to protect Israel. There is no scripture saying we have to protect Israel. God is more than able to protect Isreal.

Now coming against Israel would not be very bright. Fighting God is a dumb thing to do.



NO, the Church is not ineffective. No, far from it. He is able to present a glorious church without spot or wrinkle. There was no Covenant with America, there is only one Covenant and that is the One God made with Abraham by which we are Abraham's seed.

There were men in authority who followed God, and God honored those men. We have men in office today that honor God, and God moves on their behalf.

America never had a Covenant with God. God is not making new covenants. God said you do this, and I'll do that. It's always been that way. America is nothing special but by those that are the Lords here in America, but not only America, but the whole world.

The Church is not getting weaker, but stronger. God said in due time I'll bring light to that which was dark. Grey will no longer be grey. What people are seeing is the effects of the last days. What looked like church in the past is shown to not be church. The ones that have honored God in faith and obedience get brighter the grey gets darker. It's now more noticable.

God gave time to repent, and many evil deeds unnoticed for that room to get things right. As we approach the final days, the light on the dark and grey area's will get brighter.
My o my.

You said: "It's not our responsibility to protect Israel. There is no scripture saying we have to protect Israel."

God said in Genesis 12:1-3:
Now the Lord said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed".

Seems like it would be tha smart thing to do to me. By faith.......do you believe what the Bible tells us to do?
 

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Jim.....where in the world are you living that you see the church getting stronger????? You are kidding us, right????

Divorce is 52 %.
We kill 1.5 million unborn humans a year.
Pornography is the #1 product on the internet.
Church attendance is down 25% just in the last 10 years.
We now have made homosexual marriages legal.

And you say the church is getting stronger with more power????

Jim, you are living and thinking in some kind of fantasy my brother.
The Church does not kill them babies Major, you and I don't kill them babies.

We don't vote for gay marriage across whole states.

The Lord will present himself a glorious church without spot or wrinkle. There is a church where the gates of hell don't stand a chance.

The church is not going to fall, but get stronger and stronger. The Power of God will become more evident.

Now I am not sure what your looking at and calling it the Lord's Church.

There were lots of things called church and lots of them seemed good. You get a light on them though and you see just how not good they were.

It's one thing to say I am a Christain, it's another to say and make Jesus one's Lord, whom you obey and honor.

We have lots that say we are Christain, but few that actually see Jesus as someone they serve without question.

Even in my Church a Word of Faith Church. We lost a lot of the women population and some took their whole family out.

Mrs. Moore stood up and preached that wives must submit to their Husbands. Not get beat, but submit and treat the husband like they are head of the family.

I guess we see what happens when you preach something other than God wants you rich and healed.

We lost some while back when Brother Keith preached against co-habitation and said by the Spirit of the Lord you need to get out of that right now, don't wait another day and if you are having a homosexual realationship, that needs to stop now said the Lord.

The Church is not weak Major, the Lord is making it more clear what is His and what is not His. These are the last days and the Mystery of iniquity is at work.
 
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According to Ezekiel 38.....It will be Russia invading Israel
No. Ezekiel 38 is not about Russia. These ancient names are of peoples in what is now Turkey through to Assyria [Syria/Iraq].
This would be more fitting in with what is happening in the Middle East right now. Turkey under her Islamic president, Erdogen, is extremely anti-Israel and anti-Semitic. ISIS has the run of "Assyria."
As for Putin he is obsessed with NATO attacking Russia. Plus he has publicly declared to defend the Russian Orthodox church from the threat of Roman Catholicism and from Protestantism. These are his concerns - the West, not tiny little Israel.
 
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The Church does not kill them babies Major, you and I don't kill them babies.

We don't vote for gay marriage across whole states.

The Lord will present himself a glorious church without spot or wrinkle. There is a church where the gates of hell don't stand a chance.

The church is not going to fall, but get stronger and stronger. The Power of God will become more evident.

Now I am not sure what your looking at and calling it the Lord's Church.

There were lots of things called church and lots of them seemed good. You get a light on them though and you see just how not good they were.

It's one thing to say I am a Christain, it's another to say and make Jesus one's Lord, whom you obey and honor.

We have lots that say we are Christain, but few that actually see Jesus as someone they serve without question.

Even in my Church a Word of Faith Church. We lost a lot of the women population and some took their whole family out.

Mrs. Moore stood up and preached that wives must submit to their Husbands. Not get beat, but submit and treat the husband like they are head of the family.

I guess we see what happens when you preach something other than God wants you rich and healed.

We lost some while back when Brother Keith preached against co-habitation and said by the Spirit of the Lord you need to get out of that right now, don't wait another day and if you are having a homosexual realationship, that needs to stop now said the Lord.

The Church is not weak Major, the Lord is making it more clear what is His and what is not His. These are the last days and the Mystery of iniquity is at work.
We might want to remember that the Church is not just made up of all those who are alive today on earth, but also all those who have gone before us.

Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
 

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My o my.

You said: "It's not our responsibility to protect Israel. There is no scripture saying we have to protect Israel."

God said in Genesis 12:1-3:
Now the Lord said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed".

Seems like it would be tha smart thing to do to me. By faith.......do you believe what the Bible tells us to do?
We are the Seed of Abraham Major. Israel still has to believe like us to be grafted back in the vine.

So if anyone should protect anyone, the goverment should be protecting us, the seed of Abraham by whom God promised that in that seed "ALL NATIONS" shall be blessed. Not just the United States.
 

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Here is a thought..........Suppose that there is an event called the Rapture. IF it happens, what do you think the result will be in the USA?????

Chaos? Anger? Fear?

Overnight IMO the USA will become a 3rd world country unable to fend for itself much less any one else.

Just something to consider.
Probably all of the above, but that will be the same everywhere. Really to be honest. Does it really matter? I believe in the rapture. But i do not think that it is relevent to this thread.

We as a body of Christ since the garden of Eden have been chosen to have dominion in this earth. We as a body of Christ have a responsibility to the Father to be praying for our country, our nation (who still has a covenant with Almighty God) and our leaders and our brothers and sisters in Christ all over the world.

The Bible says that whatever is bound on earth is bound in heaven. So when do we stop talking like we are already defeated, and rise up rebuking the enemy, and stand in our God given authority against the stuff that is just birth pains if you will. Everything that is happening is what was described in the gospels. But it is not over yet, and we still have the chance to protect our nation and brothers and sisters, here and all over the world with our prayers. But the mighty men of God have to stand up, and settle to only speak the Word of God, and Pray for God to be Lord over this nation.

We have to stop bellyaching, and complaining, and get our lives and words to line up with the Word of God, so that He can move on our behalf!
 

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Indeed! The end-times come because the church has become ineffective. To save S&G there had to be an Abraham contending on their behalf. Abraham was a friend of God. I see far too many pseudo-christians and perpetual babes. I too rank in the "teen" area in my opinion. I don't see many friends of God or even sons of God. I know people will throw verses up saying we are, but I say then, where's the actions to reflect the title? (I speak to myself) I show all this to point out the patterns so everyone can know. I'm not the judge, just a messenger. Thanks for the kind words.

You may in your thinking rank teen (as do so many of us) but our heavenly Father looks upon us all as righteous, because of the blood of Christ. And because He sees us as righteous, then that changes things if we will continue to strive to walk in His ways and obey His commands. And as we pray (taking Abraham's place of requesting), and boldly come before the throne of God, that puts us in a position much like Abraham. Abraham made his share of mistakes before God, but because he believed what God told him, he was looked upon as righteous. Really in all honesty, he was not any different than you or i.

If My people, who are called by My name will humble themselves and pray, and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then i will hear from heaven, and i will forgive their sin and heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14.
Blessing to you and yours!
 
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You may in your thinking rank teen (as do so many of us) but our heavenly Father looks upon us all as righteous, because of the blood of Christ. And because He sees us as righteous, then that changes things if we will continue to strive to walk in His ways and obey His commands. And as we pray (taking Abraham's place of requesting), and boldly come before the throne of God, that puts us in a position much like Abraham. Abraham made his share of mistakes before God, but because he believed what God told him, he was looked upon as righteous. Really in all honesty, he was not any different than you or i.

If My people, who are called by My name will humble themselves and pray, and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then i will hear from heaven, and i will forgive their sin and heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14.
Blessing to you and yours!
I fully agree with your comments, but there is a price required of the prayee. It’s a matter of maturity. While a four-year old may get what they want by asking, that four-year old doesn’t understand what to ask that’s not self-serving. Your relationship with a mature adult child is different than the four-year old. If a four-year old asked if they can drive the car, a normal response would be no, for their good. A whiny child would just be ignored. If you don’t follow Jesus’ commandments and deal with sin in your life, their prayers are not even heard, let alone to the level of “friend” or “son/daughter.” It’s not automatic, John 9:31.
 
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Probably all of the above, but that will be the same everywhere. Really to be honest. Does it really matter? I believe in the rapture. But i do not think that it is relevent to this thread.

We as a body of Christ since the garden of Eden have been chosen to have dominion in this earth. We as a body of Christ have a responsibility to the Father to be praying for our country, our nation (who still has a covenant with Almighty God) and our leaders and our brothers and sisters in Christ all over the world.

The Bible says that whatever is bound on earth is bound in heaven. So when do we stop talking like we are already defeated, and rise up rebuking the enemy, and stand in our God given authority against the stuff that is just birth pains if you will. Everything that is happening is what was described in the gospels. But it is not over yet, and we still have the chance to protect our nation and brothers and sisters, here and all over the world with our prayers. But the mighty men of God have to stand up, and settle to only speak the Word of God, and Pray for God to be Lord over this nation.

We have to stop bellyaching, and complaining, and get our lives and words to line up with the Word of God, so that He can move on our behalf!
I would not argue your thoughts as I believe that you are sincere in them and in many ways I agree with you. However we need to grasp the reality of the times and what the Bible has told us would be taking place.

2 Tim. 4:3........
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall heap to themselves teachers having itching ears".

2 Thess. 2:3............
"Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition".

The reality of life is that IMO we are in those days and we, the church is in "Apostasy" and is falling away from the Word of God and from Gom Himself.

We can say that we should STAND up and bow our backs and fight Satan and I agree. But reality is showing us that Bible prophesy is the opposite of that.