A Nation favored by God

[Major]

It is not what God says at all. Try doing some real Bible study. Particularly in respect to the etymology of these ancient words and the peoples/tribes they refer to.
As for geography examine the Caucasus Mountains as a formidable natural barrier to the movement of an enormous army of armoured divisions.
Compare this with the topography of Northern Africa, Turkey Syria and Iraq > flat open plains and easy terrain for massive armies of thousands upon thousands of motorised army transports to sweep down from the north upon the hills of Israel.
As usual American Evangelism has developed its own Bible prophecies and end of world scenarios that have very little to do with scriptural truth.

1st of all, please tone down your attitude and words of accusation. We are talking not fighting.

Then 2nd.......Our God created those mountains and rivers and geography. If He said in His word that an army is going to move here or there then it matters not what the land looks like or is. IT WILL HAPPEN just as He said it would.

It has NOTHING to do with western or American thinking but instead with exactly what God has said not what we think.

 

[Lanolin]

In my country had this pray for the nation intercessor group thing.
But even so, gay marriage got legalized.
I did pray for my country last year on regular basis, set aside time to do this on a forum.
What I do see is like Major said, churches with watered down gospel that dont preach against sin or warn of hell. A lot of that watered down gospel seem to come from america...with prosperity gospel and weird signs and wonders teaching in which ppl pay money to see a sign and wonder. Or get sucked into church that takes your wages so you can be rich. But what they really doing is fleecing the flock.
It is sad but true. Apostate churches alive and well and have observed and attended a few. Many have big massive praise bands and little else going for them.

 

[Lanolin]

I dont know much about the whole revival thing.
I see many people praying revival every year and nothing much happening.

I know those things did happen like the welsh revival and many new churches got birthed out of that but also read about things like toronto blessing and then each time weird stuff started happening that was counterfeit to the real. So not sure what to think on that.

Had someone tell me that in the 70s before I was born there was a Jesus Movement. He said ppl everywhere were on fire and talking about Jesus and having fellowship all the time even on the streets. He said it was a great time to be a christian.

 

[Lanolin]

I asked what happened to the Jesus movement and he said many people fell away. Guess they got caught up in the hype. last year my country celebrated 200 years of the gospel.

I wasnt really involved in all the hoopla but I did give out tracts letting people know about nations christian heritage. I find in history conflicting accounts according to whoever wrote the history but do believe when Captain Cook saw this land he wanted to claim it in Jesus Name and beleived God led him here. Maori stopped the practise of cannabalism when the missionaries preached the gospel. There is still a racial divide but Gods word says we all one in christ Jesus. If we believe that is..no greek nor jew, male or female etc.

 

[CCW95A]

Of course that is true and I do not recall saying that we need to give up in any way Jim.

We never give up and we never give in. We are to STAND and be strong in the power and might of the Lord Jesus Christ. THAT is not what we are talking about.

The conversation has been that the obvious facts speak to the inability of the church to limit or hold back the moral decay of our society. Do we as individuals stop trying.......NEVER!

There is a scripture that says. "I have never seen the righteous forsaken nor his seed begging for bread" I guarantee there are some born again Christians somewhere out there right now asking for food on the side of some road. I do not think this scripture is telling that we will never see these things, but that we should never see them in our heart as happening. It is only the good man out of the good deposit of his heart that brings forth good things to pass.
I believe it is all a matter of choosing to see the Church in it's Glory, that will cause it to happen. Instead speaking to the mountain to be removed we are speaking to it to come. Come quickly Lord Jesus.
Maybe that is why the book of Revelations is the last book in the Bible. It show the Church in all it's Glory before the throne of God, and this is what we should be seeing and desiring.

 

[Major]

There is a scripture that says. "I have never seen the righteous forsaken nor his seed begging for bread" I guarantee there are some born again Christians somewhere out there right now asking for food on the side of some road. I do not think this scripture is telling that we will never see these things, but that we should never see them in our heart as happening. It is only the good man out of the good deposit of his heart that brings forth good things to pass.
I believe it is all a matter of choosing to see the Church in it's Glory, that will cause it to happen. Instead speaking to the mountain to be removed we are speaking to it to come. Come quickly Lord Jesus.
Maybe that is why the book of Revelations is the last book in the Bible. It show the Church in all it's Glory before the throne of God, and this is what we should be seeing and desiring.

I like that! Well thought out and said!

 

[LysanderShapiro]

Would you stop the America hatred stuff? This isn't you against the US. There is plenty of prosperity preaching going on in Europe and your country as well. Get off your high horse

It should be noted that a lot of the watering down of the gospel began mostly in Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands around the mid-century where certain liturgies were "watered down" in order to promote church going, though it did cost key points in delivering the gospel. This was done in opposition to certain religious authorities (depending on the denominations).

The US isn't immune to it of course -- they picked up where parts of Europe left off, but from my understanding, this is not strictly caused by American concept.

And even if it were, I'm not sure we can blame a country itself -- we can only recognize which location the trend may have started.

 

[Major]

In my country had this pray for the nation intercessor group thing.
But even so, gay marriage got legalized.
I did pray for my country last year on regular basis, set aside time to do this on a forum.
What I do see is like Major said, churches with watered down gospel that dont preach against sin or warn of hell. A lot of that watered down gospel seem to come from america...with prosperity gospel and weird signs and wonders teaching in which ppl pay money to see a sign and wonder. Or get sucked into church that takes your wages so you can be rich. But what they really doing is fleecing the flock.
It is sad but true. Apostate churches alive and well and have observed and attended a few. Many have big massive praise bands and little else going for them.

We are in total agreement my sister.

 

[CCW95A]

In my country had this pray for the nation intercessor group thing.
But even so, gay marriage got legalized.
I did pray for my country last year on regular basis, set aside time to do this on a forum.
What I do see is like Major said, churches with watered down gospel that dont preach against sin or warn of hell. A lot of that watered down gospel seem to come from america...with prosperity gospel and weird signs and wonders teaching in which ppl pay money to see a sign and wonder. Or get sucked into church that takes your wages so you can be rich. But what they really doing is fleecing the flock.
It is sad but true. Apostate churches alive and well and have observed and attended a few. Many have big massive praise bands and little else going for them.

The Wisdom that comes down from above is first "pure" (James 3:16) Pure referring to never compromising the Word no matter what, even if it causes you harm.
Anything else is just the wisdom that comes from below, which is earthly, sensual and devilish.

 

[By Faith]

Listen my brother......I do not like to think that either but reality says different.

Yes we pray and reach out to touch others for Christ.

We go to church to corporately worship the God of creation and the author of our salvation.

If we (You) just look around, we can see that the Church is not in control of anything. It simply has no power to speak of because too many church members are really not born again believers. They have a "form" of Godliness but deny the power there of.


Jim..."Major" is my NAME not a rank.

Statistics do not lie Jim. They are what they are. You may not like them....heck, I hate them but they are what they are and they are telling us that society is in a downward spiral and the church is unable to stop it. That is because it has NO POWER in and of itself. Here is America, preachers of Churches have watered down the Word of God so that they can keep getting paid. They do not want to ruffle the feathers of their congregation so they have stopped preaching on SIN and its consequences. The result is.........
1) Divorce 52%
2) Legalization of homosexual marriage
3) Legalization of Marijuana
4) Legalization of killing babies

All of those are the results of moral decay and the church has not been able to stop the slide.

That is my observation and opinion. No one has to or needs to agree with me. My comments here are NOT to be taken as an argument, simply me venting my concern over the apathy I see all around us.

I have to ask though Major. Is it our Job to stop the slide of moral decay?

If God had his way (And He will) then we could just write off the book of Revelation as something that might have happened.

There are lots of folks that just go to church to be seen by the Jones's and call themselves believers. At home and work, most decisions are made without even think about what God wants.

Everything I do, people I let in, all things I have learned to ask God first. It's just smart to do that as to not allow anything get in the way of God's plan for my life.

Now if you and I just want to follow the plan of God, do our part and others do the same.

What else can we do Major?

From what I can tell in scripture, things are not suppose to get better. Do we pass laws to enforce God's high moral standards?

That is asking sinners to get in line through punishment.

 

[Glomung]

You cannot legislate morality. No matter how noble some may feel their cause to be, it JUST DOES NOT WORK.
Good example, before the early 1900's there were no drug laws of any kind, drug use was rather rare even though the drugs
were widely available and cheap. Now we have thousands of laws, drug use is rampant, the prisons are full, and the criminals are rich.

 

[Major]

I have to ask though Major. Is it our Job to stop the slide of moral decay?

If God had his way (And He will) then we could just write off the book of Revelation as something that might have happened.

There are lots of folks that just go to church to be seen by the Jones's and call themselves believers. At home and work, most decisions are made without even think about what God wants.

Everything I do, people I let in, all things I have learned to ask God first. It's just smart to do that as to not allow anything get in the way of God's plan for my life.

Now if you and I just want to follow the plan of God, do our part and others do the same.

What else can we do Major?

From what I can tell in scripture, things are not suppose to get better. Do we pass laws to enforce God's high moral standards?

That is asking sinners to get in line through punishment.

Consider Glomung in #71. That is the answer!!!!

Morality can not be legislated. All we can do is prayerfully consider all those we send to vote in our laws and continue to get out the Word of God. Christ working in us can make a change only if we obey God and follow His direction. However that is not happening today as we see more sin and less morality.

The Bible says that the end of days will be as the days of Noah and at that time man was consumed with sin, corruption and depravity. How close do you think that we are to those days right now?????

I can assure you that homosexual marriages, abortion, drugs and pornography, etc. is not the direction of God.

 

[By Faith]

Consider Glomung in #71. That is the answer!!!!

Morality can not be legislated. All we can do is prayerfully consider all those we send to vote in our laws and continue to get out the Word of God. Christ working in us can make a change only if we obey God and follow His direction. However that is not happening today as we see more sin and less morality.

The Bible says that the end of days will be as the days of Noah and at that time man was consumed with sin, corruption and depravity. How close do you think that we are to those days right now?????

I can assure you that homosexual marriages, abortion, drugs and pornography, etc. is not the direction of God.

This is what I have been trying to get across....................

The Bible says.

Love of many will wax cold.
In the last days there shall be perilous times.
Just like the days of Noah.

Now, if you and I were super Christains, raised the dead daily and saved 100's daily................ Then we started 200 churches full of folks just like us.............

Does that change what is coming on this whole earth and how people are going to start acting?

A lot of what folks think is the Church, is more about what God had already said. We can't change what God said despite wanting things a lot better.

Looking at that Iran deal and Obama........ I heard Israels Prime minister speak (It was awesome) I just get a sense that people are in place, things are in place because stuff is getting set up for things to come. I just feel that.

Be blessed Major.

 

[dan in the lion's den]

In my country had this pray for the nation intercessor group thing.
But even so, gay marriage got legalized.
I did pray for my country last year on regular basis, set aside time to do this on a forum.
What I do see is like Major said, churches with watered down gospel that dont preach against sin or warn of hell. A lot of that watered down gospel seem to come from america...with prosperity gospel and weird signs and wonders teaching in which ppl pay money to see a sign and wonder. Or get sucked into church that takes your wages so you can be rich. But what they really doing is fleecing the flock.
It is sad but true. Apostate churches alive and well and have observed and attended a few. Many have big massive praise bands and little else going for them.

The seeming government approved and endorsed teachings of properity, all grace/no obedience, faith healing and other questionable doctrines whatever are all bad enough, but they're just part of the corruption in the american church. I had read where each church/denomination has a government liaison in it's midst(nice word for government informant). Harkens back to the days of Soviet political officers assigned to keep the populace in line. I looked at it as conspiracy garbage until my wife and I visited an amish church in Texas. I was told directly that they had a government liaison to keep out those wishing to avoid military service. I didn't know I was about to meet him. As I told the assoc. pastor there, and several other congregants of my childhood molestation and subsequent anxiety disorder. The liaison(informant) made himself known and immediately went to work trying to extract some sort of confession. He stated anxiety in a person is not caused by what happened to them but by what crimes/sin that person supposedly committed. He was obviously shielding the Episcopal Church. Telling me I cannot sue my "bretheren". Quite an ingenuos little weasel. I thouht of all places I might get some basic, non-biased christian advice it would be an amish church. People are people. Corruption and those drunk on corporate kool-aid are everywhere. Who'd have thought?

 

[Euphemia]

In my country had this pray for the nation intercessor group thing.
But even so, gay marriage got legalized.
I did pray for my country last year on regular basis, set aside time to do this on a forum.
What I do see is like Major said, churches with watered down gospel that dont preach against sin or warn of hell. A lot of that watered down gospel seem to come from america...with prosperity gospel and weird signs and wonders teaching in which ppl pay money to see a sign and wonder. Or get sucked into church that takes your wages so you can be rich. But what they really doing is fleecing the flock.
It is sad but true. Apostate churches alive and well and have observed and attended a few. Many have big massive praise bands and little else going for them.

Apostate groups are worldwide.

 

[Lanolin]

Thats horrible. Yes it seems like theres always gonna be one Judas somewhere in the church.
Spying and being wolf in sheeps clothing. When its the pastor himself or anyone in leadership..watch out!

Thats just plain spiritual abuse.
We are all meant to be in the priesthood of believers...I really dont get this layman and titles division nonsense. Jesus is our shepherd and Lord, we not meant to lord it over anyone else.

 

[Euphemia]

Thats horrible. Yes it seems like theres always gonna be one Judas somewhere in the church.
Spying and being wolf in sheeps clothing. When its the pastor himself or anyone in leadership..watch out!

Thats just plain spiritual abuse.
We are all meant to be in the priesthood of believers...I really dont get this layman and titles division nonsense. Jesus is our shepherd and Lord, we not meant to lord it over anyone else.

The apostasy we are witnessing isn't due to individuals in any given local church. It is global.

 

[By Faith]

The apostasy we are witnessing isn't due to individuals in any given local church. It is global.

If a Church is considered "Apostate" English meaning, then is it really considered "The" Lord's Church?

I believe a whole lot of things we call Churches are not really Churches, but buildings where folks gather based loosly on the bible.

 

[Euphemia]

If a Church is considered "Apostate" English meaning, then is it really considered "The" Lord's Church?

I believe a whole lot of things we call Churches are not really Churches, but buildings where folks gather based loosly on the bible.

It is individuals who become apostate---not the Body of Christ as a whole, which will always remain intact, spotless and ready for the coming Bridegroom.

 

[By Faith]

It is individuals who become apostate---not the Body of Christ as a whole, which will always remain intact, spotless and ready for the coming Bridegroom.

Ok, so the Lord is more than able to keep "HIS" Church together. The gates of Hell shall not prevail. Without spot or wrinkle......... that is scripture.

So then as I was talking with Major. Is what we are seeing with all the things called Churches now being shown as corrupt. Things the way they are going in the World.

Is it the Church, or is it just the Word coming to pass to set up for what is about to come on the whole world?

I am reading a lot about "BAD" America, and church failure, but I also see in the Word things are not suppose to get better either.

What is your thought on that?