Trials and Troubles more precious than gold

[Fish Catcher Jim]

@KingJ
You said..........
So what you are saying is that a Christian should only be poor for a few months until he musters up more faith then a ridiculously tiny mustard seed, then he will be rich? All Christians poor for longer then a few months are not real Christains? They are wavering / double minded and being tossed to and fro....albeit they love Jesus from the bottom of their heart... That is a really funny theory you pushing there Jim.

I believe riches and ''signs'' have absolutely nothing to do with our Christian walk and faith.

Kj it is sad how you twist and make things up that others have said.
Brother you can believe Jesus ate piazza every night too but it still does not make you right.
All believer if they are walking in His word the way he has set forth for us to walk and live on this earth should have signs and wonders following them.

Riches are all through out both the new and old Testament and for us and riches is NOT only finances KJ. Brother here is the deal.........No one includingmy self said you have to be prosperous to be a real Christian. I did however say His desire is that we are. Look KJ if you want to be poor and except things as if it all is Gods will for you then go for it. I mean if that is how you want to live then so be it. However this does not make any one wrong who refuses to live like that.

Agaian KJ would you please pray and seek God to give you real understanding of the parable of the mustard seed !

 

[KingJ]

3Jn 1:2.. Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

This is John greeting Gaius. When you greet a king it is normal to say ''I hope you live long, prosper and have many kids''.

 

[KingJ]

Absolutely!! You have to see the "mountain" removed or it aint going anywhere. Teaching the "concepts" of faith is a must for the Church to be able to benefit from it. More people complain about those who walk by faith, which is exactly what they need, but can not see it.

What concepts of faith are you talking about CCW?

 

[KingJ]

Kj it is sad how you twist and make things up that others have said.

Jim, perhaps you need to explain yourself better then. Becuase my responses are based off what I am reading from you.

 

[KingJ]

1. All believer if they are walking in His word the way he has set forth for us to walk and live on this earth should have signs and wonders following them.

2. Riches are all through out both the new and old Testament and for us and riches is NOT only finances KJ. Brother here is the deal.........No one includingmy self said you have to be prosperous to be a real Christian. I did however say His desire is that we are. Look KJ if you want to be poor and except things as if it all is Gods will for you then go for it. I mean if that is how you want to live then so be it. However this does not make any one wrong who refuses to live like that.

Agaian KJ would you please pray and seek God to give you real understanding of the parable of the mustard seed !

1. The key word being 'follow'. They may or may not happen at our request. All subject to God's will. Not our faith in X happening. Not having faith in X happening is not not walking by faith either.
2. Scripture is clear that we are to store up riches in heaven where moth and rust do not destroy / we are not to be earthly minded.

 

[KingJ]

Ok then....let me ask you to answer one thing. What does James 1:5-8 mean? You explain it to me. I want to know your understanding on these verses. What is James teaching here?

Please see post # 79.

 

[KingJ]

KingJ, I have a question.
I see a lot of talk here about poor and rich, particularly poor Christians, etc.
What kind of poor and rich are we talking about? Monetary?

Does it matter? This is more a discussion on us by faith being able to affect God's will for us to be poor (literaly needs just met) vs rich.

My argument is that whether poor or rich, it is God's will and we cannot affect it. Of course if we are lazy or complacent / not actively learning and advancing our skills we are to blame.

Needs can be met with a homeless shelter or with a mansion. So if you want a monetary value it is $0 vs $1 trillion.

 

[KingJ]

Being "double minded" causes one NOT to receive from the Lord. These are not my words or my idea's. You can be a Christian and find yourself being double minded, that does not mean you are not a Christian. You can be a Christian and die of cancer or some other disease to. What do you desire from the Lord, and do you have scriptures to back it up? Faith is not "lets try and see if it works" There is no such a thing as that is total unbelief. You have already failed before you even began. We are suppose to ask and NEVER waver no matter what you see, feel, hear, or taste.

What you are saying is that if our kids are nervous and doubt our goodness, we will not feed, clothe or respond to their birthday present requests?

We must rather be bold and in our parents face, demanding things? That kid will immediately get what he wants?

That kid will get a hiding.

Like I have already said to Jim in post #79, James is alluding to carnal Christians in James 1:6. Your advice applies to the unsaved who do not know God as their Father.

 

[Arrie03]

Does it matter? This is more a discussion on us by faith being able to affect God's will for us to be poor (literaly needs just met) vs rich.

My argument is that whether poor or rich, it is God's will and we cannot affect it. Of course if we are lazy or complacent / not actively learning and advancing our skills we are to blame.

Needs can be met with a homeless shelter or with a mansion. So if you want a monetary value it is $0 vs $1 trillion.

You are kinda getting at what I was pointing towards. The apostles, in the period after Christ ascended, to my thought prospered greatly. But they were not rich at all, and often persecuted greatly, but it sounds like they prospered nonetheless. Their riches was measured different from the way the world measures riches, which is money.
I think here on earth it is easy for us to connect something to prosperity, but in heaven it is something different a together. I would believe money has no place in heaven, and so anything measured would not be according to this scale. Prosperity included.

 

[2404]

Faith is a component of eternal there is no question.
When Lucifer fell he didn't lose his intelligence or what he was but he separated himself from the eternal and became a finite being.
He is trying to get back by intellect 'prove'.
He used his tools on Eve 'reason' and she ate it - accepted it.
We live in Satan's Eden 'finite' we have to prove everything - our laws - our thinking - etc.
Faith is a realm it doesn't matter what the doctor says you know it will be just that way.
It is not a 'hope so' from which we try to work ourselves up from - it has to be given.

 

[Euphemia]

1. The key word being 'follow'. They may or may not happen at our request. All subject to God's will. Not our faith in X happening. Not having faith in X happening is not not walking by faith either.
2. Scripture is clear that we are to store up riches in heaven where moth and rust do not destroy / we are not to be earthly minded.

God gives us the faith to believe in "X happening". It is for us to walk in it, believing for what He tells us will happen. If you don't have faith, it won't come to pass. God blesses His children who walk in that faith with results.

In so doing, we heap up great treasure in heaven. God blesses His kids with more than enough in this life! After all He is the God-of-more-than-enough!

God is blessed by His children who walk with Him in such a way that faith is their mark in life. Trusting Him for everything He promises is how He desires us to live. When Jesus says that signs and wonders follow those who walk in such a way, He speaks the truth. It is for you to believe it and not explain it away.

 

[Euphemia]

Does it matter? This is more a discussion on us by faith being able to affect God's will for us to be poor (literaly needs just met) vs rich.

My argument is that whether poor or rich, it is God's will and we cannot affect it. Of course if we are lazy or complacent / not actively learning and advancing our skills we are to blame.

Needs can be met with a homeless shelter or with a mansion. So if you want a monetary value it is $0 vs $1 trillion.

It is never God's will that His children live in poverty---physically or spiritually.

 

[Euphemia]

What you are saying is that if our kids are nervous and doubt our goodness, we will not feed, clothe or respond to their birthday present requests?

We must rather be bold and in our parents face, demanding things? That kid will immediately get what he wants?

That kid will get a hiding.

Like I have already said to Jim in post #79, James is alluding to carnal Christians in James 1:6. Your advice applies to the unsaved who do not know God as their Father.

Actually the truth is that as children of God through faith in Jesus Christ, we have become ROYALTY. No pauper princes in His kingdom! However, we, like the prodigal son, can walk away from God and all the benefits of being His child and choose to eat with pigs. He, being ever-faithful, will wait for us to come to our senses.

 

[Lanolin]

Prosper meaning your soul prospers..i.e grows, thrives, suceeds, flourishes.
Basically paul wishes his brethren good health, that they do well.
It doesnt have ANYTHING to do with money.

 

[Euphemia]

3 John 1:2 (AMP)
Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in every way and [that your body] may keep well, even as [I know] your soul keeps well and prospers.

 

[CCW95A]

What you are saying is that if our kids are nervous and doubt our goodness, we will not feed, clothe or respond to their birthday present requests?

We must rather be bold and in our parents face, demanding things? That kid will immediately get what he wants?

You have not because you ask not......

Mat 7:7 "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
Mat 7:8 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.
Mat 7:9 Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent?
Mat 7:11 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

 

[CCW95A]

Prosper meaning your soul prospers..i.e grows, thrives, suceeds, flourishes.
Basically paul wishes his brethren good health, that they do well.
It doesnt have ANYTHING to do with money.

If the Lord tells you to build something, will he not give you the power to get the "money" needed" to build it?

Deu 8:17 Beware lest you say in your heart, 'My power and the might of my hand have gotten me this wealth.'
Deu 8:18 You shall remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you power to get wealth, that he may confirm his covenant that he swore to your fathers, as it is this day.

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

What you are saying is that if our kids are nervous and doubt our goodness, we will not feed, clothe or respond to their birthday present requests?

We must rather be bold and in our parents face, demanding things? That kid will immediately get what he wants?

That kid will get a hiding.

Like I have already said to Jim in post #79, James is alluding to carnal Christians in James 1:6. Your advice applies to the unsaved who do not know God as their Father.

Why do you "think" James is writing to carnal minded Christians and the unsaved ? You insist on this but have not shown why.

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

3 John 1:2 (AMP)
Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in every way and [that your body] may keep well, even as [I know] your soul keeps well and prospers.

Biblical Prosperity is NOT JUST ABOUT FINANCES. Finances is as one piece of Prosperity. Prosper in your health, wisdom, relationships, and so forth. It is those who have not clue to this get stuck on money and sspeak out of a non understanding.

 

[Euphemia]

Biblical Prosperity is NOT JUST ABOUT FINANCES. Finances is as one piece of Prosperity. Prosper in your health, wisdom, relationships, and so forth. It is those who have not clue to this get stuck on money and sspeak out of a non understanding.

Correct, which is why that verse is important. Far too many people have been duped into the mindset that poverty is good, and that God somehow wills it upon some of His children---I guess like He would will some of His beloved to be sick and diseased, which is poverty of health. When they focus on one thing, and in this case---finance---then they miss the whole enchilada, and it shows an area of lack in their understanding. That can be easily remedied.