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This reminds me of a comment by Arnold Fruchtenbaum in his book "Israel, the Missing Link in Systemnatic Theology" where he pretty well showed that although 'Israel' is a major topic in the Bible, it is never dealt as it's own topic in the major works on systematic theology, (very interesting).
You lost me here???
I'm still lost.
You're right, it didn't help.
There is also an important principle called the 'Perspicuity of Scripture' based on the clarity of Scripture from which Christians hold to the concept that Scripture interprets Scripture...and ...as one abides in His Word, it begins to interpret us.
Equally, except for the Book of Acts, the OT is more narrative-focused.
Haha, crossnote.
I figured it would not help, that is alright. You know scripture interprets scripture but also does context and going verse by verse it introduces everything going on in and around the text.
There are some scriptures you can use to interpret others but no examples really to give, right now.
Thinking about your recent post to YF : You know thinking about Jesus Christ telling the Apostles on the mount of olives in Matthew 24 I believe? It kind of goes hand and hand with the book of acts and all the things that happened to them, with their struggles, and getting put in prison and all that.
Waiting on a Thomas Chain bible that will be coming in the mail, in about two months.
Might help with getting topics and scriptures together and things of that nature. The old method is simply reading book by book, and having trust in God and the Lord Jesus Christ by the holy spirit to remind me of things that have done read previously.
Thank you for getting back to me, appreciate that brother.
I figured it would not help, that is alright. You know scripture interprets scripture but also does context and going verse by verse it introduces everything going on in and around the text.
There are some scriptures you can use to interpret others but no examples really to give, right now.
Thinking about your recent post to YF : You know thinking about Jesus Christ telling the Apostles on the mount of olives in Matthew 24 I believe? It kind of goes hand and hand with the book of acts and all the things that happened to them, with their struggles, and getting put in prison and all that.
Waiting on a Thomas Chain bible that will be coming in the mail, in about two months.
Might help with getting topics and scriptures together and things of that nature. The old method is simply reading book by book, and having trust in God and the Lord Jesus Christ by the holy spirit to remind me of things that have done read previously.
Thank you for getting back to me, appreciate that brother.
Oh my, was that an understatement if ever I saw one. We would be saturated in superstition, lies and living in abject fear of death. Crime and violence would be through the roof and justice...nonexistent. We take so much for granite as we grow familiar with His Word.
Yes, it's also important to consider context. Going verse by verse is fine, but I notice some teachers that revel in that method (expository), will conveniently skip over the difficult verses I like a balance of topical (somewhat systematic) and expository. The sheep need both.
Yes, except in Mt 24, Jesus is prophesying (forthtelling) things to come and in Acts things are happening as if you are right there in the story.
This reminds me of a comment by Arnold Fruchtenbaum in his book "Israel, the Missing Link in Systemnatic Theology" where he pretty well showed that although 'Israel' is a major topic in the Bible, it is never dealt as it's own topic in the major works on systematic theology, (very interesting).
You lost me here???
I'm still lost.
You're right, it didn't help.
There is also an important principle called the 'Perspicuity of Scripture' based on the clarity of Scripture from which Christians hold to the concept that Scripture interprets Scripture...and ...as one abides in His Word, it begins to interpret us.
You may enjoy a book called Jesus and Israel: One Covenant or Two? by David E. Holwerda
Very good book, I didn't regret the purchase in the least.
Thanks, I'll take an "Amazon Peek". LOL. Ditto to you on Fruchtenbaum's book.
Is it available on Kindle? Or is It hardcover?
We finally got our stimulus check so it doesn't matter either way, I can pick up another book..
Only as an observation, . Spiritual Israel is also sometimes used to suggest concepts related to "Replacement Theology", in which the promises directed toward Israel are now given to the Church, instead.
Replacement Theology is at the root of the Preterist false teaching. Just a FYI only!
It's not preterist, the book isn't discussing eschatology at all... and he uses Scripture, and speaks very thoroughly and Biblically concerning the topic of which the book is written on.
And it's not "replacement" theology either... it's talking on scriptural topics.
Others can suggest a horror story as a teaching on how to live in accordance to the Holy Spirit and no one says boo, nor is anyone allowed to apparently, but I suggest a book written by a religious scholar and it's attacked as "preterist" when it's not even related to the topic nor is the scholar who wrote it preterist?
For real thats ridiculous!
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OOOPs. MY deepest apology. I did not mean it the way it came across. I was just explaining a thought and I meant nothing about the person or book. I do not know of either one.
I had been focused on post #44 and that seems to be where I was going.
Again.....I am deeply sorry and thank you for the rebuke.
For some reason my 'notification bell' is cracked, I only get notified of a small percentage of replies. Sorry.
It was/is available on Logos and hardcover. They have a few books in the Esword format but not this one...Is it available on Kindle? Or is It hardcover?
We finally got our stimulus check so it doesn't matter either way, I can pick up another book..
Israelology: The Missing Link In Systematic Theology
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It's alright, I shouldn't have been bothered so much.
The Book I suggested is talking about the covenants of God, which is sometimes called covenant theology because its based on the belief that God deals with His people through various covenants. Adam was under the covenant of works, Abraham the covenant of Grace, Moses' covenant never did away with the covenant of Grace, but nevertheless had to be fulfilled perfectly.
The Book discusses Jesus as the corporate head of Israel, hence, much like Adam was the corporate head of man and fell, so all men were born fallen: thus Jesus being the corporate head of Israel rose victorious after fulfilling the whole of the law, so the salvation of Israel is through Him.
I do believe that there are only two groups of people on this earth, those within covenant with God, and those outside of it. As Gentile believers in Christ we become son's of adoption, hence like any sons we are given the Fathers name. We become therefore a part of Israel - not a replacement thereof - this is a belief all the earliest reformation era scholars held and a great many well respected modern scholars as well.
People may twist doctrines for their own purposes, but just because some twisted it doesn't mean that's the teaching in truth.
We don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Anyone is always free to disagree with any teaching they believe is not in accord with Scripture, but I don't think lying about things is right.
If it was a mistake on your part that's fine, and I offer my apologies as well.
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Also, as a beside Major - As for eschatology, I think most people who believe in covenant theology are traditionally either amillennial (which used to be called post millennial until the post-post millennials showed up) or post millennial - meaning the belief that Jesus' second advent will be after the millennium, and not before. The difference in the two groups is one (amillennials) is more pessimistic concerning the condition of man prior to the return of Christ.
I think dispensationalists believe the Jesus' second advent is before the millennium.
I honestly can't say I know what kind of views preterists hold where concerns God's covenants, but I don't think there are any mainstream covenantal churches that teach preterism.
I think dispensationalists believe the Jesus' second advent is before the millennium.
I honestly can't say I know what kind of views preterists hold where concerns God's covenants, but I don't think there are any mainstream covenantal churches that teach preterism.
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Their distinction is a separate dealing of Israel and the Church, most believe the Church will be taken before the Great Tribulation which is mainly directed at chastising Israel to bring them back to Himself.
A highly literal approach to Scripture is also a distinctive as compared to Amillennialists.
R.C. Sproul comes to mind who was a partial preterist.
He was (God rest his soul) amillennial...
Although he carefully taught the literature in which millennial teaching is found is difficult to interpret and cautioned against dogmatism in this area..
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