forgiven61 Your response (#219) to my post #218 never came through, only my quote did.
The Reason the Church is Floundering....
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i never said the church was about padded seats etc ..i noted the old timers had church is about the building or the pews.. the old timers had church under very inconvenient conditions . i dont do flattering or enticing words. i let the Bible speak for it self. . the church i today is to busy correcting each other . i have been in service with various denoms many times in the message the correction came out. yes i have been in services where tongues was used along with a interruption . did i get anything out of it? no i got ran out of a southern Baptist church i was elected pastor with %99 vote approval .. i made the mistake of using the words foot washing . it was the former pastor daughter that created the stir . i tried to calm it with the word note try ..then the town hall meeting . it is the will of the Church you resign .. really no church vote .. i have respect for the southern Baptist. see in that case carnal minds prevailed ..how soon we forget the scripture come let us reason once again this is only a small portion of the problems we face with Church today. i honor your ministry
must not been important as i dont even recall what i posted
you make very good points but many a pastor has stood in the pulpit and stated tho art the man . in my 20 some odd years i have seen many things. even told i dont know why you keep going back at it.----------- its called fire in my Bones i know a man who preached against the masonic lodge .. that went over like a lead balloon. i know preachers who has been at it 40 years or longer one over 50 years they are the ones i feed off of. this modern day teaching /preaching read the message off page by page. just dont do nothing for me.
I agree with you.
I have also spoken on the Masonic Lodge. I was part of a committee with the SBC to denounce it in 1993.
It was not adopted by the Convention for one simple reason........approx. 40% of the members are Masons and lord know we do not want to make them angry.
The point is however......When I stand before God to give an account of all that I have said and done, I can do so with a clear conscious.
We I believe who are called by God to prach must do just that even if we run some people off. I firmly believe that the reason God said in 2 Timothy 4:1-4................
"In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage-with great patience and careful instruction. 3For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths"......
was said to "Prune the heard".
Matthew 7:23.......
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
We can state that if there were still the gift of tongues, would not be to impart any addition revelation, and would have to be a real language!
The attitude of many today is "ask not what you can do for the Lord, but what He can do for you!"
many of them need to get saved, and those who already arer, need to get out of their cult and into sound doctrines of the scriptures!
I have seen independent churches splintered right apart due to the pastor running the church into the ground, or else have all yes people as in family members!
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Totally agree, as there are plus and minuses on both sides of the aisle.
The big thing to me is accountability, for if the pastor is caught stealing monies, adultery, teaching heresy, at least in a demonination have recourse to get him out, but not so much if fully independent!
Only thing, in a denominational setting, there usually is a lot of red tape. So again, plus and minuses.
Agreed!
I can only say that as being in the SBC there is a form or accountability available to church members.
So then if a pastor begins to preach and reach that Mary is equal to God then the SBC would investigate and could if proven remove that specific church from fellowship with the SBC.
If my memory is correct, (?) the SBC removed 3 churches from their convention due to the fact that they calledwomen as pastors in 2020.
I would agree with that.
I don't keep up with the 'latest' from the SBC, but I have 'heard' that there was a bit of a problem with the Prez (JDGr) himself in 2020.
Maybe that has been rectified (I don't know) but I can imagine there was plenty of red tape in rectifying the matter.
Our church family is a Southern Baptist Church and are members of the California Southern Baptist Convention. The CSBC is huge and under the umbrella of the Southern Baptist Convention which is very, very huge and based out of Nashville.
One important thing I learned is the Convention partners with 45k - 50k churches and is going to have ongoing problems, many small and many very serious. Unfortunately, some are normal Christian community issues, pastoral leadership issues, churches dying, churches that cannot handle growth, etc...
Another important thing I learned is the SBC and CSBC are very organized, accountable and as big as they are, when I have a concern and need to speak directly, I don't feel lost in the pool of the convention, and they have been consistently available to my church family, community and me.
The majority in the media is going to resort to yellow journalism. I choose to go straight to the convention. But This doesn't dismiss the ongoing problems of the SBC or CSBC convention.
i grew up around the masonic lodge and yes i know bits and parts about it. my Dad was a master mason he has been gone from this present life over 30 years. my Biggest problem among a couple other things with the masons. 1. you just have to believe in a god thus it becomes a religion and many think it makes them saved ( it does not ) 2. the ritual of initiation upon joining . they blindfold you and ask you to tell the masonic secrets. then they push you back catch you the worshipful master resurrects you . i have talked to those who joined and left. i do not feel or even think it brought condemnation upon my dad. i know for a fact he did not use it as his salvation . but i still have no use for it. .. back to the op if the Church would stand up against thing things of this world.. yes that would be making some angry we might not be in the shape we are today . sometimes there is more dedication in the masonic Lodge than the Church. !!! i really wish there was less politics in Church..
I would never circle the wagons for any denomination (if it's in the wrong, it's in the wrong).
If I was a member, I would vote, but that's about it.
If I was a member, I would vote, but that's about it.
there is problems in every denom . my self i am very turned off with GEN Baptist headquarters . the head interim man makes his visits the well know Churches.. never darken the rural Churches. since opening Fairview back up not one time have they made a visit, i paid a visit to headquarters before reopening . i did get 500.00 out of them which helped.. but they was all business and did not want to talk Church. Gen baptist has some great pastors who preach the word . myself i like the non denom format but its not about me. i tell my Church you make the Church not me. sheep make sheep . were all in this together
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