I am not SBC muself, but there is coming real divide in those ranks soon, as there seems to be a big push to get members "woke up", and into Critical race Theory!
The Reason the Church is Floundering....
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Hello forgiven61;
Of course there is. I don't know too much about the General Baptist Headquarters and it's too bad your experience was more about business and less of warmth (your church family.)
I'm blessed to know the GBH has anointed pastors who preach "hard knocks" messages. My discernment is you are amongst those.
Pastor, you're right. The people make the church and sheep make sheep. Very true and well said.
I'm glad you and I are in the same Army of God.
God bless you, forgiven61, Fairview General Baptist Church, and for God's continued strength in your pastoral ministry.
the church is small in attendance most of them had stopped going and not been in years. to be honest the only difference between gen Baptist southern is doctrine teaching of salvation osas osnas . i have family on my mom side are southern Baptist. i also have a couple who use to attend a independent Baptist Church. i was once asked how i believe my reply i know in whom i have believed i know that i am saved i also know i am secure in Christ === a Know so Salvation we just desire your prayer i had to put out a brush fire this morning from a misunderstood text . partly my fault. i prayed through it pleaded the Blood to bind satan out. a solid 20 min conversation by phone. the air was cleared .. appreciate the prayers
I am afraid that is right.
Seems that Gid is really pruning down His Church, as between Crt, Waking up, female pastors, signs and wonders, inclusive religion and alternate lifestyles. many are falling away!
OK......I am just a country boy so help me out....what is "CRT".
But yes......Pruning out is exactly what is going on.
Matthew 7:22-23 is more relitive today than it was the day it was written.........
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity".
There's female pastors now because men have been abusing their positions for quite a while now, unfortunately. If you look into any church history, it's come about because of paedophilia or some sort of abuse. I know of one church the minister/pastor left because he had an extra marital affair. Another I heard they were stealing the tithes, and another the couple used their position to build a cafe at the church and all the profits were not going to the community, it was going for their 'lifestyle'.
Its quite well known in catholic and even some baptist churches of horrendous sexual abuse by the elders, that was kept swept under the rug, and the victims silenced, or they were just moved from church to church. Wolves.
Its quite well known in catholic and even some baptist churches of horrendous sexual abuse by the elders, that was kept swept under the rug, and the victims silenced, or they were just moved from church to church. Wolves.
No doubt that is true!
Amen and I agree!
In the past 20 years I have spoken to the past Florida Baptist Convention president Dr. John Sullivan. (Retired) He is one of the best preahers I have ever experienced and I would place him right alongside of Adrian Rogers (Deceased).
I asked him directly over the phone if he would be able to take the time out of his busy life and come and preach a revival for a week. Without hesitation he said that he would be blessed to do so and he did just that. It was a tremendous event with 50 decisions!!!
Hello Lanolin;
Though there has been sin by some clergy in today's church, this is not the reason why female pastors have increased. It is true that both men and women are gifted for serving in the church, however, it's profound truth that God anointed the role of Pastor, Shepherd and Elder to men. He does not revise His Word because of the sinful trends of past and today's times.
When we studied the roles of women in the Bible, God anointed Deborah as the first female and fourth Judge and Prophetess in Judges 4.
In the Gospels God anointed Mary as the mother who would conceive Jesus. Mary also witnessed to her sons as they were led to Christ in Acts 1:13-14.
In the book of Romans 16 Phoebe, a devout woman of God was anointed a deaconess (servant.)
God has special roles for women throughout the Bible and today, but the role of Pastor was not instituted to these women of God, but to the men of God.
Still, it's a fact that churches and women today push back on this teaching and will ordain women, especially those who graduated from seminary earning their Masters of Divinity to shepherd the church.
In our church I have prayed many years, what does God say about ordaining or commissioning a female pastor to serve on staff? God has not revealed His Will.
So, when I do cross paths with female pastors I love and pray for them, because of the challenges a female pastor will share with me when they encounter men with dark struggles in the church, marital issues, personal faith challenges, or when the female pastor questions her emotional well being in the ministry.
This leaves me to ponder God's Word and His assigned roles for men and women in the church.
a some what sticky subject. i do feel it is the man role but few denoms see it different . men need to step up to the plate
Yes, it is a sticky subject and most likely will continue. Still, it's a fact that churches and women today push back on this teaching and will ordain women, especially those who graduated from seminary earning their Masters of Divinity to shepherd the church.
does the degree qualify or God i see advertisement for pastors doctor degree needed . this might create a brush fire can a man God called off the street pastor just as effective w/o the degree as with one ? plz note i am not against a education in the ministry . i think it can be beneficial sitting under seasoned ministry teaching. i had to preach in a assoc meeting behind a doctor degree preacher . the message i preached turned out rather interesting . yes i was nervous as he had just used my scripture . i guess my point is the anointing destroys the yoke
critical race theory.
Systematic racism, as they see America built upon foundation of slavery and racism, and only Whites have those special privileges denied all minorities!
If true, how did president obama become first Black president then?
Hello Pastor;
You ask a great question. There are two sides to this and will answer based on my personal experience, upside and downside of seminary.
There are those who are anointed with the gift of preaching and teaching, are self-studied and have the gift of people skills. I personally admire these ministers and find myself listening more to them. If they came across a circumstance that required wisdom, knowledge and a preparedness of how do handle or say, they are equipped!
Before I became a pastor I served as a deacon and later as an Elder. My former pastor encouraged me to take one course at seminary (Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary) to get some education under my belt.
Unlike ministers with hard knocks self study, I was too distracted, my attention span was short, so I had to attend class under a teacher. I didn't have the confidence to study and pass but through prayer and faith I did well. This encouraged me to take another course, then another until I graduated 3 times in 2008, 2015 and 2019.
Our seminary was one of the lowest cost of tuition. Being a Southern Baptist seminary and belonging to a Southern Baptist church I received a nice discount and am grateful to the Lord.
The one problem I learned from seminary were the students who gained much theological knowledge, but the school didn't teach people skills. So when the student was hired in their first pastoral ministry they were not prepared with the interpersonal skills needed in serving the needs of the congregation. One good friend of mine excelled in seminary but two years later when he was blessed with his first congregation, sadly the members had a hard time adjusting to him. They prayed but it didn't work out so he quit!, packed his bags and he and his wife moved to North Carolina.
The other problem I learned from seminary is not all theologians are called to the pastoral ministry. They may be led in the pastoral ministry but they treat it as a job career, not a calling to ministry.
In all my study, I am blessed to have gained knowledge at seminary, but I strive to pass what I learned to the other disciples and younger men and women seeking to serve the Lord.
God bless you, forgiven61 and your family.
Good stuff!
i appreciate that honest up front answer . the area i live in southeast mo the country area and lots of the flatlands . most are God called studied in the Holy ghost school of hard knocks . most will tell you { the seasoned ministers ) will tell you they dont know how people stood them in the early years .but as they preached they grew in the grace and knowledge . i am in my21st 22nd year announced my call in 1999. preached my 1st news eve watch service y2k . when the world would come to a crashing halt. i preached a head of a veteran minister of close to 50 years at that time.
i do not consider my self seasoned even though i been in lots of man created messes being a pastor, i simply could not head off i have deep respect for the fathers in the Lord . i have sat under this type preaching my 25 years . i would love to have had some good education in Bible college under seasoned ministers who speak the truth and live what they preach. i did not have that chance i had a job and a family
BI-vocational is all i know .
my English skills stink i can only preach what God gives me . but when it comes to the Church the Body of Christ .i have a heart the size of Texas. i know the way Church use to be and it can be again if enough people want it.. you will see me use the phrase want to and desire . i enjoyed your post very honest and upfront ..that i can deal with it
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