What about Ufos and Cryptozoology then?

[Lanolin]

Marco Polo claimed to have met hugh lizards in China of that time caged by the Emperors, and have been reports of large reptiles in areas such as ther Congo and Aistralia into recent history!

huh I did read a book by Marco Polo but I don't remember him writing about that...though the version I read was quite difficult to read as it had so many footnotes.
I got annoyed by those footnotes because the academics always wrote that he was probably making things up. If they think none of it was true, how would they even know because they were not actually there at the time to witness what Marco Polo witnessed, plus, why would he bother to make up a story like that??

 

[Major]

I was thinking along the lines of Demons possession, as then could have offspring!

Just a question.........IF a demon possesed person mated with one who is not, does that mean the child would then be possessed as well?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Just a question.........IF a demon possesed person mated with one who is not, does that mean the child would then be possessed as well?

Interesting question, would the soul been through the reproduction or by special creation of God?

 

[Major]

Interesting question, would the soul been through the reproduction or by special creation of God?

But the spirit and body are two separate entities. Just because a father might be demon possessed does not then mean that his offspring would be as well.
That being the case then how could a demonic possessed man produce demonic offspring????

 

[rtm3039]

Were you aware that the VA will compensate you for your hearing loss if it was due to the Military. If you tell them you have "ringing" in your ears, that is a 10% pension.

I wish I was 20/40. Born with 20/400 in my right eye. Amblyopia. Can't miss what you never had. I am just glad I am cute!

Yes, I am at 30%, but it is a bit overrated. At 30%, it's a savings of about $6.00 a month. Up until you are rated at 50% or above, it is not considered dual compensation. So, what they do is that they have DFAS hold on to 30% of my retirement as a "VA Waiver." VA will then pay me that amount, which is non-taxable ($6.00 a month savings). Now I also broke my back while serving in the military and have some degenerative arthritis in various parts. Part of this does not allow me to turn my head to the left or up. To make right hand turn, I have to literally pick myself off of the driver's seat and turn my whole body to the left. At some point, I will request a re-evaluation and I suspect my 30% will become at least 60 - 70%. At that point, the VA will add 60 - 70% to my retirement pay, above my regular retirement pay, which will no longer be deducted te VA waiver part. That might be as high as $2,000 plus a month.

PS. Yeah, you really are kind of cute, I must admit....

 

[Major]

Yes, I am at 30%, but it is a bit overrated. At 30%, it's a savings of about $6.00 a month. Up until you are rated at 50% or above, it is not considered dual compensation. So, what they do is that they have DFAS hold on to 30% of my retirement as a "VA Waiver." VA will then pay me that amount, which is non-taxable ($6.00 a month savings). Now I also broke my back while serving in the military and have some degenerative arthritis in various parts. Part of this does not allow me to turn my head to the left or up. To make right hand turn, I have to literally pick myself off of the driver's seat and turn my whole body to the left. At some point, I will request a re-evaluation and I suspect my 30% will become at least 60 - 70%. At that point, the VA will add 60 - 70% to my retirement pay, above my regular retirement pay, which will no longer be deducted te VA waiver part. That might be as high as $2,000 plus a month.

PS. Yeah, you really are kind of cute, I must admit....

From personal experience......stay on them.

 

[YeshuaFan]

But the spirit and body are two separate entities. Just because a father might be demon possessed does not then mean that his offspring would be as well.
That being the case then how could a demonic possessed man produce demonic offspring????

I do not think would have possessed offspring, but just might have mutated ones, those Giants of old!

 

[Garee]

If demons and humans married, how then would we explain Matthew 22:30 .....
"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

That means Angels are "asexual" so it seems that that there would not be any Scriptural ability for demons to marry humans.

Yes as sons of God which we are as Christian we are not what we will be "asexual" the bride , called the mother of us all .Pictured in in all glory no longer subject to time under the Sun (“Revelation 12:1-2) .

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

It has much to do with the defining words .The words "sons of God" mixed with the word "angel" in Greek as messnger or Malik in Hebrew a word that simply means messengers with no other meaning added or taken from it . Those sent with the gospel, called apostles. The chief prophet and apostle sent by the father is the Son of man Jesus .His goal was . . ".Not as I will according to the flesh" but as his father the will and power of the Holy Spirit.

Job is used as that kind of messenger (son of God) In his daily prayer he would enter the throne room or golden bowl of prayer and make his request known.

On one occasion the accuser of the brethren who accuses mankind day and night was accusing them. Our Holy Father said to Him have you tried the angel or messenger Job? Now job as a messenger had no power to rebuke the spirit of error. Our father rebuked him when he offered the challenge

Job 1:5-8 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

The same with the reference to the sons of God in Genesis 6. Great men moved by the faith of Christ.. They were violating the law of the seed (spiritual) not to be unevenly yoked with the daughters of men. Daughters of men or mankind is used to denote natural un-redeemed mankind . The seed Christ was in jeopardy .

There were men of renown like Noah even after the flood . David as giant of faith is shown defeating the renown of the enemy .called faithless Goliath . When Jesus came the genealogy of the seed (spiritual) as a shadow of good things to come came to fulfillment

 

[YeshuaFan]

Yes as sons of God which we are as Christian we are not what we will be "asexual" the bride , called the mother of us all .Pictured in in all glory no longer subject to time under the Sun (“Revelation 12:1-2) .

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

It has much to do with the defining words .The words "sons of God" mixed with the word "angel" in Greek as messnger or Malik in Hebrew a word that simply means messengers with no other meaning added or taken from it . Those sent with the gospel, called apostles. The chief prophet and apostle sent by the father is the Son of man Jesus .His goal was . . ".Not as I will according to the flesh" but as his father the will and power of the Holy Spirit.

Job is used as that kind of messenger (son of God) In his daily prayer he would enter the throne room or golden bowl of prayer and make his request known.

On one occasion the accuser of the brethren who accuses mankind day and night was accusing them. Our Holy Father said to Him have you tried the angel or messenger Job? Now job as a messenger had no power to rebuke the spirit of error. Our father rebuked him when he offered the challenge

Job 1:5-8 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

The same with the reference to the sons of God in Genesis 6. Great men moved by the faith of Christ.. They were violating the law of the seed (spiritual) not to be unevenly yoked with the daughters of men. Daughters of men or mankind is used to denote natural un-redeemed mankind . The seed Christ was in jeopardy .

There were men of renown like Noah even after the flood . David as giant of faith is shown defeating the renown of the enemy .called faithless Goliath . When Jesus came the genealogy of the seed (spiritual) as a shadow of good things to come came to fulfillment

Jude claimed though that those fallen angels went after strange flesh, aka women!

 

[Major]

Yes as sons of God which we are as Christian we are not what we will be "asexual" the bride , called the mother of us all .Pictured in in all glory no longer subject to time under the Sun (“Revelation 12:1-2) .

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

It has much to do with the defining words .The words "sons of God" mixed with the word "angel" in Greek as messnger or Malik in Hebrew a word that simply means messengers with no other meaning added or taken from it . Those sent with the gospel, called apostles. The chief prophet and apostle sent by the father is the Son of man Jesus .His goal was . . ".Not as I will according to the flesh" but as his father the will and power of the Holy Spirit.

Job is used as that kind of messenger (son of God) In his daily prayer he would enter the throne room or golden bowl of prayer and make his request known.

On one occasion the accuser of the brethren who accuses mankind day and night was accusing them. Our Holy Father said to Him have you tried the angel or messenger Job? Now job as a messenger had no power to rebuke the spirit of error. Our father rebuked him when he offered the challenge

Job 1:5-8 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

The same with the reference to the sons of God in Genesis 6. Great men moved by the faith of Christ.. They were violating the law of the seed (spiritual) not to be unevenly yoked with the daughters of men. Daughters of men or mankind is used to denote natural un-redeemed mankind . The seed Christ was in jeopardy .

There were men of renown like Noah even after the flood . David as giant of faith is shown defeating the renown of the enemy .called faithless Goliath . When Jesus came the genealogy of the seed (spiritual) as a shadow of good things to come came to fulfillment

Garee.....I have to admit that I have trouble grasping what you are saying. Is English your first language???? I am sure that it is just me and I apologize for saying that but it seems that because of my lack of correct understanding of your comments, what I respond with does not come across correctly.

Now having said that allow me to say clearly that we are "Sons of God" through faith and acceptance of God's Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. That action places us in the family of God.

Now, when we are either Raptured or dead we will receive "Glorified" bodies as is stated in 1 Corinthians 15:51-53.......
"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

So then when we are in heaven, after the "resurrection" we will be like the angels of heaven. That is what God told us in Matthew 22:30,......
"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

The question raised by the Sadducees was meant to demonstrate the absurdity of a resurrection of the dead. They had asked about the wife married to seven consecutive brothers on earth and wanted to know which brother was she going to be having sexual realtions with in heaven.

God said to them that there isn't any contradiction or complication, at all. Resurrected human beings will be like angels in one respect:
Men will not marry, and women will not be given in marriage. Marriage, the pairing of couples for life, will cease to exist there. As eternal beings, angels do not reproduce, making marriage and sexual relations impossible. God then said that Humans will exist in that non-married, non-reproducing status, as well.

We will be just as are the angels in heaven........ASEXUAL!

Then you quoted Revelation 12:1-2.

As the Revelation is a book of Prophecy, there is NO church doctrine to be gleaned from it. The Church is not seen after the last verse and last word of chapter 3.

The "Bride" of Christ which is the Church is not seen again until Rev. 19 when it comes with the host of heaven at Armageddon to see the end of all things. The marriage supper of the Lamb will take place after the Church has been taken to Heaven in the Rapture and following the judgment seat of Christ, but it will happen before we return with Christ to earth at His glorious appearing.

Then you posted Job 1:5-8.

Again it is probably me, but the "Sons of God" in those Scriptures are fallen angels, demons. CONTEXT always determines exegesis and in verse #6 says that "sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan".

God was in heaven so this is must be a heavenly scene as Satan has come with his followers TO GOD! Location and CONTEXT demands that this is a heavenly scene and the "sons of God" there were demonic, fallen angels.

Now for Genesis 6:1...........
"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,".

Again, CONTEXT and LOCATION is what determines correct exegesis. That being the case then we can clearly see that MEN are the context and the EARTH is the Location. SO this is an earthly scene.

There is nothing the demands the "Sons of God" in verse #2 is anything other that MEN on the earth just as it literally says.

There are several teaching on who these people were and I have studied them in depth. IMPHO, the "Sons of God" in Genesis 6 were the Godly descendants of Seth intermarrying with wicked descendants of Cain. I say that because the teaching from God in Matthew 22:30 rules out them being fallen angels because angels do not reproduce!!!

Again, in my humble opinion, "Men of Renown" simply means that these men were well known.....literlly in the Hebrew is "Men with a Name/Reputation".

Again.....I am not sure, but it may be that we are saying the same thing but in different ways.

God bless you for the time taken to read this post!

 

[Garee]

Garee.....I have to admit that I have trouble grasping what you are saying. Is English your first language???? I am sure that it is just me and I apologize for saying that but it seems that because of my lack of correct understanding of your comments, what I respond with does not come across correctly.

Now having said that allow me to say clearly that we are "Sons of God" through faith and acceptance of God's Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. That action places us in the family of God.

Now, when we are either Raptured or dead we will receive "Glorified" bodies as is stated in 1 Corinthians 15:51-53.......
"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

So then when we are in heaven, after the "resurrection" we will be like the angels of heaven. That is what God told us in Matthew 22:30,......
"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

The question raised by the Sadducees was meant to demonstrate the absurdity of a resurrection of the dead. They had asked about the wife married to seven consecutive brothers on earth and wanted to know which brother was she going to be having sexual realtions with in heaven.

God said to them that there isn't any contradiction or complication, at all. Resurrected human beings will be like angels in one respect:
Men will not marry, and women will not be given in marriage. Marriage, the pairing of couples for life, will cease to exist there. As eternal beings, angels do not reproduce, making marriage and sexual relations impossible. God then said that Humans will exist in that non-married, non-reproducing status, as well.

We will be just as are the angels in heaven........ASEXUAL!

Then you quoted Revelation 12:1-2.

As the Revelation is a book of Prophecy, there is NO church doctrine to be gleaned from it. The Church is not seen after the last verse and last word of chapter 3.

The "Bride" of Christ which is the Church is not seen again until Rev. 19 when it comes with the host of heaven at Armageddon to see the end of all things. The marriage supper of the Lamb will take place after the Church has been taken to Heaven in the Rapture and following the judgment seat of Christ, but it will happen before we return with Christ to earth at His glorious appearing.

Then you posted Job 1:5-8.

Again it is probably me, but the "Sons of God" in those Scriptures are fallen angels, demons. CONTEXT always determines exegesis and in verse #6 says that "sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan".

God was in heaven so this is must be a heavenly scene as Satan has come with his followers TO GOD! Location and CONTEXT demands that this is a heavenly scene and the "sons of God" there were demonic, fallen angels.

Now for Genesis 6:1...........
"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,".

Again, CONTEXT and LOCATION is what determines correct exegesis. That being the case then we can clearly see that MEN are the context and the EARTH is the Location. SO this is an earthly scene.

There is nothing the demands the "Sons of God" in verse #2 is anything other that MEN on the earth just as it literally says.

There are several teaching on who these people were and I have studied them in depth. IMPHO, the "Sons of God" in Genesis 6 were the Godly descendants of Seth intermarrying with wicked descendants of Cain. I say that because the teaching from God in Matthew 22:30 rules out them being fallen angels because angels do not reproduce!!!

Again, in my humble opinion, "Men of Renown" simply means that these men were well known.....literlly in the Hebrew is "Men with a Name/Reputation".

Again.....I am not sure, but it may be that we are saying the same thing but in different ways.

God bless you for the time taken to read this post!

.

I today lean toward the Amil position. I do not follow after dispensationisim

The idea of the church as the bride of Christ pictured in Revelation 12 disapering out of biblcal context for any peiod time is not a biblical idea .There would be no reason to try and make that work out

We are the mesengers of God that some call angels rather than the English word messenger. .

Sons of God as born again belivers that phrase used in one place it remains the same where ever it is found to include Job, a son of God .

Satan in Job is shown coming along with the multitude of saints as sons of God .Coming amongst them he the spirit of erro acusses the brethern (saints) day and night. Saints are mesengers for God. How beautiful are their feet shod with the gospel . The spirt of lies does not habve a body as if we did wrestle against the created things seen

Not sure how some come to the conclusion Satan came along with other mesengers other than human .The book began with Job seeking his daily bread called the golden bowl in Revelation, the prayers of the saints . Gold represents the unseen faith. God chose him to reveal the power of the Holy Spirit. Have you considered my mesenger Job a son of God?


Job 1:5-9 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

"Sons of God" never become "spirits of error". Sons of God is never used to represent evil .

 

[Major]

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I today lean toward the Amil position. I do not follow after dispensationisim

The idea of the church as the bride of Christ pictured in Revelation 12 disapering out of biblcal context for any peiod time is not a biblical idea .There would be no reason to try and make that work out

We are the mesengers of God that some call angels rather than the English word messenger. .

Sons of God as born again belivers that phrase used in one place it remains the same where ever it is found to include Job, a son of God .

Satan in Job is shown coming along with the multitude of saints as sons of God .Coming amongst them he the spirit of erro acusses the brethern (saints) day and night. Saints are mesengers for God. How beautiful are their feet shod with the gospel . The spirt of lies does not habve a body as if we did wrestle against the created things seen

Not sure how some come to the conclusion Satan came along with other mesengers other than human .The book began with Job seeking his daily bread called the golden bowl in Revelation, the prayers of the saints . Gold represents the unseen faith. God chose him to reveal the power of the Holy Spirit. Have you considered my mesenger Job a son of God?


Job 1:5-9 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

"Sons of God" never become "spirits of error". Sons of God is never used to represent evil .

Allow me to try and help your understanding of the Revelation.

You said..........
"The idea of the church as the bride of Christ pictured in Revelation 12 disapering out of biblcal context for any peiod time is not a biblical idea .There would be no reason to try and make that work out."

Now then....the Bride of Christ which is the Church of the Lord Jesus is not ...IS NOT pictured in Revelation 12. There is a "Woman" pictured but that Woman is the nation of Israel out of which came the Messiah Jesus and then the "Church" came of Jesus Christ!

The Revelation along with the Book of Daniel is not about the church at all. The church is not in view or even mentioned from Rev. 3.
Both are the focus on the nation of Israel and the judgement of God.
The church which is made up of the believers in Christ are not the focus of God's judgment. The believers sin was judged on the cross of Calvary and will not be judged again as the price Jesus paid for sin was once and forever.

You said..............
"We are the mesengers of God that some call angels rather than the English word messenger. "

Agreed. Every born again believer is called to spread the gospel of Christ to the lost so yes in that sense we are all messengers.

However, CONTEXT always demands the proper exegesis of Scripture. There messengers such as you and me and there are "Angels" from God and heavenly Angels are divine messengers from God in heaven. The etymology of the word angel is from two words meaning messenger: the Hebrew word mal’akh and the Greek word angelos. As the word implies, God sends angels as heavenly emissaries to minister to people on Earth.

The idea that we as sons of God are messengers of the gospel and then are somehow called "angels" is not possible.

There are humans, saved who become "sons of God" by being born again into the Kingdom of God.
Then there are heavenly spirit beings of God who are the Angels of God and are sometimes called the "sons of God".

Those two entities correct identifications are determined by the CONTEXT of the Scriptures in which they are found.

Hebrews 1:14.......
“Are [angels] not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”

Then you stated.............
"Satan in Job is shown coming along with the multitude of saints as sons of God .Coming amongst them he the spirit of erro acusses the brethern (saints) day and night. Saints are mesengers for God. How beautiful are their feet shod with the gospel . The spirt of lies does not habve a body as if we did wrestle against the created things seen".

With all due respect to you and in all Christian love, I am unable to agree with your comment.

Shall we look at the exact, literal words of the Scripture together............

Job 1:5-12...................
"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?"

Now where in those Scriptures do we find as you stated.........."Satan in Job is shown coming along with the multitude of saints as sons of God ."

The Scripture actually says...."Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. "

What is the difference???...........your idea of..........."multitude of saints as sons of God ."

What you are doing is reading INTO the Scriptures what YOU want them to say.

CONTEXT and LOCATION is the key to proper understanding. CONTEXT says that the "sons of God came with Satan".

God sent angels would not be accursing the brethren!!! IT is also important to understand that since the holy angels in heaven are continually in the presence of God according to Matthew 18:10, and these "sons of God" in Job 1:6 present themselves the tells us that they are not holy angels. Instead they are the followers of Satan as they came with Satan.

Holy Angels would not be coming WITH Satan but would be instead be confronting him instead.

The CONTEXT and LOCATION in heaven then demand that the "Sons of God" in Job 1:6 are Satan and His fallen ANGELIC followers!

Then you stated that..........
""Sons of God" never become "spirits of error". Sons of God is never used to represent evil ."

Again, with all respect I think that now you can see that from the Scriptures themselves, that is not a correct understanding.

As always....may the Lord bless you and keep you safe!

 

[YeshuaFan]

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I today lean toward the Amil position. I do not follow after dispensationisim

The idea of the church as the bride of Christ pictured in Revelation 12 disapering out of biblcal context for any peiod time is not a biblical idea .There would be no reason to try and make that work out

We are the mesengers of God that some call angels rather than the English word messenger. .

Sons of God as born again belivers that phrase used in one place it remains the same where ever it is found to include Job, a son of God .

Satan in Job is shown coming along with the multitude of saints as sons of God .Coming amongst them he the spirit of erro acusses the brethern (saints) day and night. Saints are mesengers for God. How beautiful are their feet shod with the gospel . The spirt of lies does not habve a body as if we did wrestle against the created things seen

Not sure how some come to the conclusion Satan came along with other mesengers other than human .The book began with Job seeking his daily bread called the golden bowl in Revelation, the prayers of the saints . Gold represents the unseen faith. God chose him to reveal the power of the Holy Spirit. Have you considered my mesenger Job a son of God?


Job 1:5-9 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

"Sons of God" never become "spirits of error". Sons of God is never used to represent evil .

A Mil is a viable Eschatology position, but do find it very hard to see how this can be be the Messianic Age the OT prophets foresaw, with the Messiah reigning here on earth then!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Allow me to try and help your understanding of the Revelation.

You said..........
"The idea of the church as the bride of Christ pictured in Revelation 12 disapering out of biblcal context for any peiod time is not a biblical idea .There would be no reason to try and make that work out."

Now then....the Bride of Christ which is the Church of the Lord Jesus is not ...IS NOT pictured in Revelation 12. There is a "Woman" pictured but that Woman is the nation of Israel out of which came the Messiah Jesus and then the "Church" came of Jesus Christ!

The Revelation along with the Book of Daniel is not about the church at all. The church is not in view or even mentioned from Rev. 3.
Both are the focus on the nation of Israel and the judgement of God.
The church which is made up of the believers in Christ are not the focus of God's judgment. The believers sin was judged on the cross of Calvary and will not be judged again as the price Jesus paid for sin was once and forever.

You said..............
"We are the mesengers of God that some call angels rather than the English word messenger. "

Agreed. Every born again believer is called to spread the gospel of Christ to the lost so yes in that sense we are all messengers.

However, CONTEXT always demands the proper exegesis of Scripture. There messengers such as you and me and there are "Angels" from God and heavenly Angels are divine messengers from God in heaven. The etymology of the word angel is from two words meaning messenger: the Hebrew word mal’akh and the Greek word angelos. As the word implies, God sends angels as heavenly emissaries to minister to people on Earth.

The idea that we as sons of God are messengers of the gospel and then are somehow called "angels" is not possible.

There are humans, saved who become "sons of God" by being born again into the Kingdom of God.
Then there are heavenly spirit beings of God who are the Angels of God and are sometimes called the "sons of God".

Those two entities correct identifications are determined by the CONTEXT of the Scriptures in which they are found.

Hebrews 1:14.......
“Are [angels] not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”

Then you stated.............
"Satan in Job is shown coming along with the multitude of saints as sons of God .Coming amongst them he the spirit of erro acusses the brethern (saints) day and night. Saints are mesengers for God. How beautiful are their feet shod with the gospel . The spirt of lies does not habve a body as if we did wrestle against the created things seen".

With all due respect to you and in all Christian love, I am unable to agree with your comment.

Shall we look at the exact, literal words of the Scripture together............

Job 1:5-12...................
"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?"

Now where in those Scriptures do we find as you stated.........."Satan in Job is shown coming along with the multitude of saints as sons of God ."

The Scripture actually says...."Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. "

What is the difference???...........your idea of..........."multitude of saints as sons of God ."

What you are doing is reading INTO the Scriptures what YOU want them to say.

CONTEXT and LOCATION is the key to proper understanding. CONTEXT says that the "sons of God came with Satan".

God sent angels would not be accursing the brethren!!! IT is also important to understand that since the holy angels in heaven are continually in the presence of God according to Matthew 18:10, and these "sons of God" in Job 1:6 present themselves the tells us that they are not holy angels. Instead they are the followers of Satan as they came with Satan.

Holy Angels would not be coming WITH Satan but would be instead be confronting him instead.

The CONTEXT and LOCATION in heaven then demand that the "Sons of God" in Job 1:6 are Satan and His fallen ANGELIC followers!

Then you stated that..........
""Sons of God" never become "spirits of error". Sons of God is never used to represent evil ."

Again, with all respect I think that now you can see that from the Scriptures themselves, that is not a correct understanding.

As always....may the Lord bless you and keep you safe!

The Woman in revelation is indeed israel of end times, and the book of daniel direcdtly given to show to us the future for Daniel "own people"

 

[Nazarene Servant]

Any ideas on what Ufos might be, and what about mysterious creatures like Bigfoot and Nessie then?

I believe UFOs are demons. The rest are imaginations.

 

[Garee]

A Mil is a viable Eschatology position, but do find it very hard to see how this can be be the Messianic Age the OT prophets foresaw, with the Messiah reigning here on earth then!

I would say no difference. . none. God is not a man as us. Satan is the spirit of the anti-Christ (another teacher) singular, by which he deceives the whole world and not just the Jewish world by the false teaching of the anti-christs (plural) a legion of false teacher’s, false apostles …. The man of sin.

Both the plural and the singular working as one legion .Called the man of sin . Legion needs a body to deceive those who have “no faith” .They must look to the temporal seen not having the faith as it is written to give them the unseen gospel understanding.

There were according to 1 John many antichrists deceived by legion (Satan) in the new testament.

Peter served as one who rebuked the Son of man, Jesus preventing him from doing the gospel work .

The Lord gave words to His prophet Jesus the Son of man .those words rebuked the legion and it fled.

Peter was forgiven of blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus seen. Today there is no forgiveness against the Holy Spirit not seen the same power that works in these bodies of death giving us the unseen understanding his in parables like that of Mathew 16 .

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

 

[YeshuaFan]

I believe UFOs are demons. The rest are imaginations.

I agree with you on Ufos, but think Nessie and certasin other "monsters" may very well be survivors from the flood!

 

[YeshuaFan]

I would say no difference. . none. God is not a man as us. Satan is the spirit of the anti-Christ (another teacher) singular, by which he deceives the whole world and not just the Jewish world by the false teaching of the anti-christs (plural) a legion of false teacher’s, false apostles …. The man of sin.

Both the plural and the singular working as one legion .Called the man of sin . Legion needs a body to deceive those who have “no faith” .They must look to the temporal seen not having the faith as it is written to give them the unseen gospel understanding.

There were according to 1 John many antichrists deceived by legion (Satan) in the new testament.

Peter served as one who rebuked the Son of man, Jesus preventing him from doing the gospel work .

The Lord gave words to His prophet Jesus the Son of man .those words rebuked the legion and it fled.

Peter was forgiven of blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus seen. Today there is no forgiveness against the Holy Spirit not seen the same power that works in these bodies of death giving us the unseen understanding his in parables like that of Mathew 16 .

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

the Messianic Age will be a time of no sinning allowed to foster, no wars, no diseases, will be Paradise reborn, do not see that under A Mil!

 

[Nazarene Servant]

I agree with you on Ufos, but think Nessie and certasin other "monsters" may very well be survivors from the flood!

I have never considered that but if there were one then it would seem like it would be dead by now and if there were two then there should be many. I can't prove anything either way though. Interesting to consider though.

 

[Major]

Jude claimed though that those fallen angels went after strange flesh, aka women!

Could it also mean homosexuality???